Women Are Not Here For You. You Do Not Own Us.

 

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A guy walks up to a girl in a bar. She’s laughing with her friends, engrossed in conversation. He slides in next to her to introduce himself. Offers her a drink. I’m just here to hang with my friends she says more than once. He proceeds to ask her “get to know you” questions, ignores her icy stare. Oblivious to her friends rolling their eyes. He appears immune to her Not interested‘s and her No thank you‘s. Finally, she sighs, I HAVE A BOYFRIEND. He backs away grudgingly, defensively, hands in the air, It’s cool, it’s cool. I got it.

Her rebuffs weren’t enough. Her refusals were dismissed. It was clear that what she wanted wasn’t of much concern to him. But another man’s woman? That’s a record scratch. A stop sign. A no trespassing sign.

This story isn’t unusual. It’s not even rare. Most women at some point have played the boyfriend card to fend off an aggressive guy.

Not all men have to hear the boyfriend excuse to accept a “No.” Many men approach women humbly and respectfully. But the reality is that far too many men are the aggressive guy with the selective hearing. It’s disheartening, frustrating, and at times… scary.

And it all comes down to ownership.

Entitlement.

We watch in horror as it plays out in the most grotesque ways. A man kills a woman on a train for refusing his advances. A man shoots his wife and her two students because she left him. A man shoots an innocent stranger and says his girlfriend made him do it. It’s a man going on a murderous shooting spree after posting a video blaming all of the women who refused to see how “nice” he was.

It’s not always violent or abusive. Most often it is vague and hard to put your finger on. But our society is constantly telling men they have rights to us. That they own us. This message isn’t shouted or barked. No, like most effective messages it’s subtle. Implied. It’s in our everyday interactions. But it’s there, coloring our language and our attitudes and our traditions. It’s the pervasive, implied entitlement in casual words and actions that we accept and absorb because we are so accustomed to it we don’t even recognize it.

Ownership. Women are property. Men are entitled to us. Society is unconcerned with our agency and autonomy.

It’s tradition and it’s doctrine. It’s history and it’s gospel.

It’s the marrying off of daughters as a transaction. A young girl whittled down to the equivalent of a goat and an acre of land.

It’s women being the spoils of war.

It’s women being categorized as either the virgin or the whore.

Most men don’t walk around looking at women as property. That’s not how this works. But it’s there, implied. It’s woven into our culture. Passed down like a defective gene.

It’s not just the persistent guy in the bar. It’s the guy who tells us to smile. As if our expression is there for him to dictate. Our mood, his to determine.

It’s the man who thinks he has the right to catcall a woman because she is walking down the street. And then thinks he has the right to get angry if she doesn’t respond in the way he thinks she should.

It’s the shock and disdain for a woman who curses. It’s not lady like. It’s unbecoming. It’s trashy. No. Admonishing a grown woman as if she’s a child is unbecoming.

It’s the “Friend-zone.” The place where hard-up guys and their precocious desires go to die. Angry that they are denied access to someone they were friendly with. I was so nice to her, why wouldn’t she have sex with me? As if being cool means they should automatically have rights to us.

It’s the seething hate directed at every woman who has a large online presence. A platform, a big following, a blue checkmark next to her name – all are cause for threats. It’s the armies of men who troll, looking for powerful women to go after. Who have rabid anger for women they’ve never even met. Why? For moving into their space. For taking up their oxygen. For getting attention and followers and likes. They are threatened by it. They feel less powerful when they see a powerful woman. So they try to control her, bully her, intimidate her. They try to drive her off social media and sometimes out of a job.

It’s the looks of disgust or the comments when a woman is breastfeeding in public. Her breasts should be used to sell Carl’s Jr. burgers or to entice or to entertain. But using them for their intended purpose is disgusting. It’s utilitarian and not serving the greater male population in any way so put those things away, you exhibitionist whore. 

We are here to accentuate. Complement. To be arm candy or stay quietly in the background. We should be easy going, but not easy. We should laugh easily, but not too loudly.

We should be soft and sweet and curved in all the right places. But not too curvy. Unless that’s what is desired by the men we meet. The goalpost of what is desirable is constantly moving so we must read magazines and scour pop culture to see what’s what. You see, we are complicit in our own servitude. It’s part of our DNA as well.

We should speak demurely. Speaking loudly, projecting our voice is an affront. We should calibrate our voice to precisely the tone that is pleasing to male ears. And for the love of  all things nasty,  please don’t laugh too loud.

Our bodies are commodities. Our sexuality is for other’s to copulate to. Our pureness to be held up as saintly. Our reproduction legislated by old white men who couldn’t find an ovary or a female orgasm if they had a GPS.

It’s male journalists frothing every time Chelsea Clinton speaks or wins an award. Their condescending laments laced with the fear of another ambitious woman coming dangerously close to that glass ceiling. Their words dripping with contempt. How dare she be visible or audible when they had other ideas. Stay in your lane, Chelsea. 

It’s the pat on the head, the unsolicited advice, the let me tell you how you really feel because my male perspective is more valid and more right, ok sweetheart? 

It’s telling a woman to calm down because her outburst or her fire or her anger make it so much harder to rein her in.

It’s the stealthing that turns consensual sex into sexual assault, and the online chat rooms that instruct bros how to do it, and the judges who will laugh it off or brush it off or dole out a slap on the wrist with a wink, and now we have one more fucking thing to warn our daughters about.

It’s the men who help themselves to parts of our bodies as we make our way through a crowd or through the office or across campus.

It’s our lovers, the men we trust and love. They think nothing of laying down a guilt trip if we refuse sex. After all, what right do we have to consider our own mood/desires/feelings? Our bodies should be open for business when he needs it, the moment he needs it. After all, we love him, right? C’mon baby, you say you love me but you aren’t acting like it right now. And they don’t understand or see that their pressure and guilt is added to the pile of male needs and desires we’ve spent a lifetime collecting and being held responsible for.

We watch young girls, on the brink of womanhood who are ogled and leered at. Men, with their shirts straining against their dad-bods, scanning every inch of her. Oblivious to her discomfort. Unconcerned that she is still just a child. They act like they don’t see how their hot gaze makes her squirm. Making her feel equal parts dirty and self conscious and guilty. You see, she learned long ago in school that how she dresses is responsible for how men and boys act. But they’re oblivious to her tugging uncomfortably at her clothes because they don’t see her as a person and they’ve been taught that it’s harmless to do these things and it’s not big deal, it’s just guys being guys and geez, stop overreacting, wouldya?

We’ve heard the song, the one that has been in the background our whole lives. The one that tells us we’re the temptress, the siren of the sea. We’re Eve, licking the apple from our wet lips wearing nothing but a wicked grin. That we’re the built-in excuse for male aggression and anger and frustration and missteps. A convenient scapegoat for society’s ills.

We’re supposed to be “a lady in the street, but a freak in the bed.” Unless he’s not into that kind of thing, in which case we better figure that shit out and accommodate before he decides to dispose of us and tells his friends that we’re just a dirty whore.

We are not your property.

You don’t own us. You are not entitled to our bodies or our minds or our emotional labor.

It’s ownership when men get angry at the fat girl and call her names. How dare she go out in the world in a way that’s not pleasing to his eye?

It’s ownership when they scream at the transgender woman who doesn’t fit their idea of what a woman “should” be. And they’re going to make damn sure she knows it by their voice or their sneer or their laughter or their fist.

It’s ownership when dudes ask a lesbian if they can “get in on that action” or when they wink, “give me a chance to change your mind.” Because it’s really not about her identity and being who she is, it’s about them getting off.

We are not your participation trophies. We are not your conquest or your ego boost.

We are not here for you to decide how we should act/talk/smile/laugh/look/live.

Our role in the home or the board room or online is not yours to define.

Our daughters are not your son’s distractions.

Our wholeness is not a threat to your existence.

Our minds and bodies are tired of this game so if you could wake up and see that we’re not asking you to feel guilty or to drag you down, that would be great. We’re asking you to listen and to believe us and to help us make it stop.

Help us make it stop with the young girl getting dress coded because her body is a distraction to the boys.

Help us make it stop so that when she tells her teacher about a boy making a rape joke, she doesn’t get the “Boys will be boys” retort that tells her that her fears and safety are secondary to boys having fun and blowing off steam.

Help us make it stop because she will learn before she’s even out of puberty that grown  men will take from her, whether it’s the lingering stares or the hand that rests on her shoulder for too long or some other innocuous gesture that she can’t put her finger on but she knows it’s not right. Help us before she goes off to college and she tells herself “boys will be boys” when a drinking game goes too far and she finds herself going from laughing and playing along to being victimized but feeling like she deserved it because she is just repeating what she’s seen and heard her whole life. Boys can’t control themselves. Their actions are just a response to you. You should have known better/done better. 

Help us. Recognize when you see ownership, in all its forms. Tell your sons and your daughters and your coworkers and your bosses and your bros.

Help us because it’s this subtle sense of ownership that feeds the violence. It’s the little moments that add up and build up and give permission to a man to touch, to hit, to rape, to kill. It’s systemic and institutionalized ownership that allows lawmakers and judges and police officers to question a rape victim’s level of sobriety or her past sexual history or how much the rapist might suffer in prison so we really should give him a slap on the wrist because he is a preppy white rapist with a bright future.

Help us amplify this message. Help us stop the cycle of entitlement.

We are not your bitch, your slut, your problem. We are not your excuse, your reason, your burden.

We are not your anything.

 

 

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  1. Well, Ladies and Boys I’ve said my piece on this subject, made my position clear, I was not here to defend women, they need no help from me and are more than capable of standing up to those cry-babies whose mothers never taught them manners or developed a sense of dignity in them. I responded to the arguments (if name-calling, insults, deliberate misappropriation of the victimology that women have first hand knowledge of since Eve ate the apple and whining about how misunderstood and unfairly maligned they are can be called argument), and I have no further desire to associate with these man-boys and their whimpering. If I have learned anything in the 65 years I’ve spent on this misbegotten rock it’s that men are largely incapable of reaching maturity and have little or no capacity for intelligent, fact-based thought. It is the reason that human life on this planet will, in all probability, be extinct within 50-100 years. I am not alone in saying this, just Google “Human Extinction” and see how many serious thinkers make the same prediction.

    So I have precious little time left to do what pleases me and I’m damned sure I’m not wasting it on those with no values or morality. I shan’t be responding to any more posts so save your fingers for what they do best.

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    1. ” If I have learned anything in the 65 years I’ve spent on this misbegotten rock it’s that men are largely incapable of reaching maturity and have little or no capacity for intelligent, fact-based thought.”

      And yet it was men (white men mostly … shock horror) who gave you that computer you’re typing on, the air conditioning that cools you, the public sanitation that gives you clean safe drinking water, the house or apartment block you live in, the car, motorcycle, cycle or bus you ride on, the roads you ride them on, the television you watch every day, the medicine you use, the chemicals you use, etc. I could go on. Yes, it’s men who lack the fact-based thought. WE should just stop all that backward science and technology and go and sit in sociology lectures listening to the sort of garbage you spout, garbage without any basis in reality, garbage that’s made you a lonely old woman with no man and 20 cats.

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        1. Sorry you have such a horrible life that you can’t see reality. Women have been involved in most of those things without getting recognition. You also don’t seem to have a problem with women being harassed and raped and beaten by men. You are a disgusting idiot and I feel sorry for any woman so deluded by our culture that she would give you the time of day, let alone enter into a relationship. Crawl back in you garbage hole.

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        2. Not the only thing you have been wrong about, is it ShiteHead? In Fact, you have found it impossible to be Right about anything EXCEPT your Right-Wing Fascist self-congratulatory and narcissistic whingeing and insulting of others.

          I suggest you go back to your nursery and try again to grow up into a mature, relevant REAL 21st Century man. You never know, second time around you may just make it.

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      1. You know why men gave us the computers and the HVACs and the public sanitation? Here…let me womansplain for you…. IT’S BECAUSE FOR MOST OF OUR PLANETS HISTORY MEN TREATED WOMEN LIKE THEY WERE BRAINLESS IDIOTS, PROPERTY TO BE BOUGHT AND SOLD LIKE CATTLE. Women were most often never educated or given a chance to excel. Men often KILLED women who thought or acted ‘above their station’. We were witches and ‘hysterical’ if we tried to act or think like a man. Even your stupid snarky lonely old woman with 20 cats comment shows with utter clarity what we as females have to deal with. Daily.

        So sure, pat yourself on the back you king of kings. Congratulate yourself for being the gender that lies, cheats and kills to keep your superiority. The fact of the matter is, had women been given equal opportunity throughout our history we would probably have a cure for cancer and colonies on the moon by now. Unfortunately our progress as a society has been greatly hampered by only ball scratching, war mongering, ‘my penis is better than your penis’ obsessed males being in charge.

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        1. You’re high. Most men didn’t have an education, you stupid bat. You’re looking at it through the lens of a post industrial society. For most of our history we lived as hunter gathers or in subsistence economies. All the crap you say oppressed women was what men had to deal with too. Most men didn’t have the vote. Most men didn’t go to school. And we also had to go to war and die. Women weren’t demanding to go down mines to die either.

          You’re brainwashed. Nothing you say has any basis in historical fact.

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        2. ” I’m educating you about how some women behave ” It’s called mansplaining, and in trying to refute the article, you only prove the article’s points.

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        3. Hi LB. Ada Lovelace is a prime example of a woman whose contribution to progress was nothing like as significant as feminist mythology portrays. A piece in The Economist in late 2015, by Emma Duncan, a former Deputy Editor of the paper

          https://www.1843magazine.com/intelligence/cracking-coder

          An extract:

          Doubts about the extent of her contribution along with Ada’s celebrity status have led to claims that she has been over-promoted. “She was”, wrote Bruce Collier, one of Babbage’s biographers, “a manic-depressive with the most amazing delusions about her own talents, and a rather shallow understanding of both Charles Babbage and the Analytical Engine…I guess someone has to be the most overrated figure in the history of computing.”

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        4. ” It’s called mansplaining, and in trying to refute the article, you only prove the article’s points.”

          By your logic, if a feminist said 2 + 2 = 5 and a man told her how 2 + 2 = 4, he’d be guilty of “mansplaining”. You leftists invent such words in order to silence criticism. It’s not working. Give up.

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        5. EMQB Neatly said, as soon as I read this I was composing ShiteHead’s response. And there it is like he read it from a book.

          Waah….most men didn’t have an education. Hunter gatherer….mmppphmmmpph……men suffered too mmmmppphhh men had no vote…mmmmopppphhh wars and dying ….mmpophhh…..historical fact that I just made up.

          Except that it was WOMEN who led the way to settled community living by the gradual recognition that growing food was more efficient than searching for it, that settled habitats were more easily defensible and thus allowed faster development. Whilst it was MEN and ONLY MEN who made the decisions about which MEN had sufficient privilege to access education, go to war, could influence the seats of power, It was MEN and ONLY MEN who held the reins of power through the Religions THEY established in order to denigrate and restrict female abilities and growth. For 25,000 years at least women have been physically prevented (often to the point of being killed) from acquiring education, property, even control over their own bodies. In the few societies that developed into Matriarchies stability was stronger and conflict less frequent.

          Where Women Rule: 4 of History’s Ancient Matriarchies – historythings.
          6 Modern Societies Where Women Rule – BY LAURA TURNER GARRISON
          Where women rule the world: Matriarchal communities from Albania to China – metro co uk
          6 Matriarchies Still Functioning Today – Marie Claire

          These societies have survived DESPITE male attempts to destroy them.

          The total disregard for historical fact, the absolute absence of any reasoned argument, the utter unwillingness even to consider the viewpoint of the victim, indeed making the VICTIM responsible for their own destruction is the hallmark of the un-evolved, one might say DEVOLVING, male psyche. Given that all the evidence shows that history is written by the victors and the history of MANKIND is only the history of men, with women being allowed at best a few footnotes, it is incredible how deep is the capacity of men to ignore the evidence of their OWN story, written by them.

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        1. That last comment is actually correct- “By your logic, zoologists who describe animal behaviour are HUMANsplaining.” And it shows that you do understand that your behavior is not rational or useful. By “humansplaining” animal behavior scientists missed out on tons of really interesting details that were right in front of them like tool creation and use, the understanding of cause and effect, understanding the concept of numbers and time and a lot of other behaviors that were previously thought to be purely human. Can you not see that this same view point is what is blinding ALL sexes to the value that humans of any sex can bring to the table? By denying that any particular type of person has value we waste not only that person’s potential but all the people like them, too. This makes us ALL poor, you included.

          Look past the idea of sex as a finite determinator of personality/behavior and how our societies have “splained” us into these rotten little boxes that have made us all a little crazy (or a lot), impoverished our species and brought us to the brink of destroying the planet. Use your much-vaunted “greater” intelligence and “superior” reasoning to help us survive our rapidly shortening future instead of indulging in useless activities that only push us all farther apart.

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        2. Took the words right out of my mouth (so to speak). Such ignorance and absence of gratitude is sadly commonplace in nearly ALL MEN. How you all managed to grow up without the women who nursed you, fed you, wiped your nose and backside, taught to tie your laces and brush your teeth is miraculous.

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      2. Mathsisshite validates what most reasonable people know to be true; there’s nothing more threatening to an unhappy, insecure male than a woman having the last word on who she is. He is encased in fear and clearly has some substantial mother issues.

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        1. No, it’s called correcting erroneous information. I’m not going to let her spread historically inaccurate bullsh*t without give her a dose of reality.

          You valide what all reasonable people know to be true: feminists are full of empty rhetoric but empty of facts.

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        2. I’m vastly content in a loving relationship. Watching you almost spit with rage, so out of control, is certainly not indicative of someone who is stable, dear.

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        3. I’m happily married to a wonderful man, here to lend support to all of the women and men who wisely champion this beautiful post. What about you? It’s a sincere question, what experiences with women have led you to such a damaged, angry view? I feel for you, you’re clearly unsettled and must have had some troubling experiences.

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        4. How is my view damaged and angry? lol I’m not angry. I’m educating you about how some women behave and you’re just banging your head off your keyboard, denying reality and calling me a rape apologist without any evidence. You clearly don’t have any understanding of the male-female sexual dynamic.

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        5. Of course you’re angry, dear one. And you want us all to know you are. You need us all to believe you are superior, and that’s fine. 🙂 Who made you feel so insecure? Who hurt you so much? I’m interested.

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        6. “Of course you’re angry, dear one. And you want us all to know you are. You need us all to believe you are superior, and that’s fine. 🙂 Who made you feel so insecure? Who hurt you so much? I’m interested.”

          IF I’m angry, you’re angry, and the author of this piece is angry, because your logic is “anyone who disagrees with someone and argues their case is angry” which means anyone who disagrees with anyone is angry. It’s like the whole “bigotry” thing. Feminists and leftists in general call people who disagree with them bigots. But a bigot is someone who is intolerant of other views, which means feminists/leftists are bigotsm by definition, by not being tolerant of other views.

          I don’t need you to believe I’m superior. I’m just hoping that I’ll manage to get throught to at least one of you and make you see how illogical your hatred of men is.

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        7. Well some anger is fine, I’ve no issue with anger directed st situations that are deserving of anger. You cross into abusive and combative and try to condescend, all indicators of someone whose anger is not grounded in virtue or ideal. Your anger is clearly coming from a wounded, fearful place. It’s pretty tough to hide, friend.

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        8. Well, we don’t know if this is mother issues or if it’s generalized dysfunction caused by over 6000 years’ worth of social conditioning that says men > women/other. 😦 This has messed us all up for sure. But I do agree on the fear aspect. Fear is so easily turned into anger and when you can’t attack the thing that really makes you afraid you turn to the next, “weakest” thing to attack instead.

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      3. You should read a bit more. Or perhaps watch Hidden Figures about the team of African-American women mathematicians vital in developing NASA’s early space program. Your statement that it was ‘white men mostly’ ‘who gave you’ what we consider modern, technological advancements shows a very limited view of the world. Your choice of ‘gave’ suggests entitlement as well. I’ll just leave this here.

        “We have, of course, a lot to thank the great historical figures of the science and technology industries for. Yet, while most of us can name one or two famous female scientists – such as Marie Curie, the first woman to win a Nobel Prize in 1903 – few of us know how much of our current knowledge and how many of the things we now take for granted were founded on the intellect of women.

        By way of example, Lise Meitner was a Jewish physicist living in Germany studying radioactive substances when she was forced to flee Germany in WWII. Meitner was lauded by her friend Albert Eisntein as “our Marie Curie”. In Sweden, in 1939, she proposed an experiment to her colleague Otto Hahn that resulted in nuclear fission. In 1946, Hahn was awarded the Nobel Prize for Physics for his research into fission, but Meitner was ignored.

        In 1953, Rosalind Franklin took the x-ray crystallography image that led to the discovery of DNA. Her three male colleagues – Watson, Crick and Wilkins – used her now-famous “photograph 51” to publish the discovery of DNA and they later won the Nobel Prize. Rosalind was not so fortunate – her ‘prize’ was to die from cancer and controversy still surrounds her role in the discovery of the structure that has revolutionised our understanding of the human condition.

        In 1959, Grace Murray Hopper laid the groundwork for modern software development by creating the compiler, the intermediate program that translates English language instructions into the language of the target computer. Without her accomplishment, many contemporary computing applications may not exist, but how many of us acknowledge Grace when we log onto the net?

        One of the first software patents ever issued was to Erna Schneider in 1954, who invented a computerised switching system for telephone traffic while engaged as a researcher at Bell Laboratories. Few know that the principles embodied in her patent are still used today.” Excerpt from thekeynote address by WiT President and i.labg CEO Anne-Marie Birkill.
        http://anthillonline.com/great-scientific-achievements-by-women-in-history/

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        1. I get so tired of this lame line of argument, based on emotional neediness – ‘women are as good as men!” So history has to be rewritten to make that so.

          Some women have made great contributions. We get it. We do. But very often their contributions have been exaggerated. I could send you an article on Rosalind Franklin but you wouldn’t read it. She thought DNA was a triple helix, Crick & Watson worked out it was a double helix. Franklin may or may not have got a Nobel Prize, but they’re not awarded posthumously.

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        2. Wow, out of ALL the myriad inventions, discoveries, creations and doing by MEN you discovered a FEW by women. Congratulations. You go girls!

          If you spent LESS time being morally outraged and MORE time with a slide rule and a pencil, YOU TOO could build things. But instead, you put all of your time and energy into tearing things down.

          ANY MORON can tear things down. But it takes a real MAN– apparently– to BUILD things.

          Feminism is a HATE GROUP. Feminists are HATEFUL PEOPLE.

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        3. Well perhaps people like Mike and Geiheim missed the memo where women – until quite recently in modern history -were actually prevented from attending college where they would have been able to be in an atmosphere where they could innovate as substantially as men.

          That prevention decided by men.

          The freedom to pursue higher education obtained by women.

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        4. “Until quite recently in modern history”. 40 years ago I was in the middle of doing a Chemistry degree. Plenty of women on the course, and there had been for many years before (a female senior lecturer was 60+). What has this to do with the surely emotionally-driven need to exaggerate the historical contributions of women in field after field? The same women’s names get raised time after time, even though the contributions of many have been shown to be far less than is claimed by feminists.

          Given the number of women who’ve graduated in STEM subjects over the past (say) 50 years, the number of Nobel prizes won by them has been – proportionately – small. Why might that be, do you think? Do you have a male conspiracy theory to hand?

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        5. I can appreciate your attempt to insert emotion as the basis for much of your narrative – that might work for a lot of people prone to engaging at a reactive level – but unfortunately for your approach, there’s enough data to ground all reasonable people into the understanding of institutionalized prejudice. For decades, women were legally prevented from obtaining higher education which would lead to broader opportunities to participate in the innovative process. Thankfully that’s changed, as a woman in the Silicon Valley I see it happening firsthand. The rather pedantic, oppositional approach you offer is more reflective of your emotional baggage around this issue rather than addressing the broadening opportunities that are now in place for women, won by women championing for that to occur.

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        6. By he way, what are you currently doing with your degree? I have three patents and one more pending, I made my first million with innovation. How are you innovating with your chemistry degree?

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        7. So what you’ve done is dismissed my factual statement on the basis that something like 0.01% of invention and innovation was from non-white men.

          Every.

          F*cking.

          Time.

          Lefty strategy: Sieze on an aberrant statistic, then extrapolate to the norm. Example: 0.01% of men think they are women, ergo gender is fluid.

          Liberalism is a mental disorder.

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        8. “I get so tired of this lame line of argument, based on emotional neediness – ‘women are as good as men!” So history has to be rewritten to make that so.”

          My favorite thing, Mike, about “men’s rights activists” is you all come out of the gate claiming to be the maligned, oppressed sex who are just seeking to level the playing field. You claim that feminists operate from falsified information, willful ignorance or stupidity. That they actually seek supremacy and they hold all the power. It doesn’t take long before you begin name calling and making appearance, sexuality and masculinity a target when you are opposed. Then you claim that women actually *aren’t* as intelligent or innovative or capable or – let’s be honest – as important. It is then that your core premise emerges – women are actually inferior, except in their capacity for childbirth and violence. You don’t want equality. You don’t believe in it. You are a grandstander and a fraud.

          For a guy who didn’t want to waste time reading the piece, you’ve sure as fuck had the time to link to this blog three times on your website, duke it out in the comments every day, and then give the writer an “award” that looks like something that belongs in a seventh grader’s burn book.

          Some women do hate men. Some feminists hate men, and they don’t deserve any more credence than good ol’ Anonymous down there whose favorite sexual fantasy involves a toilet. (You should see someone about that, Anon) Make no mistake – there are some alleged feminists that I dislike as much as I do you and your band of contrarians. But nothing you have said on this thread or on your site has convinced me that you are any better than the worst of the “feminists” you claim to hate – and that makes you part of the problem.

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      4. …and it were – and still are – men, who make war. Your species might have invented some more ore less useful things in this world, but most of the mischief and suffering we see today is also made by men, so your little inventions don’t really make that up…..and by the way: Men would have never reached the moon without the calculating genius of women (black women….shock, horror). And if men doesn’t accept the fact, that there is no superior gender, I guess, mankind will not have a very long lasting future here on this world. …

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        1. “Your species might have invented some more ore less useful things in this world…”.

          Men are a different SPECIES?!!! Look around the world you see in the next 24 hours. Everything you see will have been invented or designed, built, and maintained by men. Compared with that, women…? You’re not living in the real world.

          Why would women be less likely to wage war, than men? Your belief that this is so shows nothing other than your female sense of superiority. We know in the domestic violence field that women are at least as aggressive towards partners, as men:

          https://j4mb.org.uk/2015/04/30/domestic-violence-women-are-as-physically-aggessive-towards-opposite-sex-intimate-partners-as-men-or-more-physically-aggressive/

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        2. What’s so ironic about men like Mike is how desperate they are to have others validate that men and women are wired to think and process information differently and yet how quick they are to dismiss said difference when it somehow implies that women can do something better. Your bias slip is showing, Mike. Put less effort in driving your agenda and more info dialogue of ideas and perhaps you’ll get further.

          Data has clearly established that women are much more verbal than men which starts in early development. We have immediate access to an internal verbal register that men do not which makes it much easier to collaborate around a solution instead of driving one or two competitively across the line. Collaboration leads to effective negotiation more often than not, these are relatively easy dots to connect if one is even casually interested in social science.

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        3. Mike is the type of person who is so intent on managing his injured-based world view, he’ll do a few Google searches to try to make himself declarative. It’s fascinating to watch. Pathetic, yet fascinating, but most internet warriors are quick with the Google to put up a few blog posts in the form of data that somehow magically serve a macro data set. You keep striving, Mike – and while you’re at it, please let us all know how you’ve contributed to any forward advancement of ideas or innovation in any material way, or if you’re simply fighting with people on the internet. I think we all know it’s the latter. 😉

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        4. “Data has clearly established that women are much more verbal than men ”

          Without a shadow of a doubt. They’re the biggest gossips. They talk talk talk relentlessly for the sake of talking. Being verbal isn’t necessarily a good thing.

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      5. It is true that a lot of men weren’t educated either, but the people who had education were men from the aristocracy and upper class. I’m there were plenty of men with academic capability who couldn’t purse it due to poverty and work as well as woman who were married off to be baby machines , to work houses and indentured servitude. We progressed rapidly in science and technology when more people received education, even more when woman and minorities could as well. Counting out whole groups of people, based on anything but their ability only hampers progress. Btw they wouldn’t have let a woman work in the mines if she wanted to.

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      6. No one GAVE me shit. and YOU didn’t invent any of this shit either. Yet you want credit and gratitude other mens’ work simply for being male too. Talk about entitled. I bought that crap myself with my paycheck just like you. Your argument is asinine at best. If men were doing all the household drudgery perhaps women would have invented things far greater. You don’t know. For instance, most construction is done by meth addicts. How hard could it be? Baby with colic hard? Wheels on the bus for the millionth time hard?
        But, if we ask you to take a no as a no and move on, that is ingratitude to ALL men? What the hell does that mean anyway? Tell that to my friend who’s ex-husband is threatening to collect alimony. I don’t know any housewives and I’m gen X. Its not feminists, its inflation and shrinking wages. Two for sure would love to stay at home with kids.
        Stop normalizing this mindset that women need to be bullied by men into doing what they really want- what men want. That sicko who shot a bunch of sorority girls in santa barbara was thinking like that. We excuse men for acting out when sex is involved. How can you not see that as wrong? Men ARE capable of restraint. Are capable of thought. FFS if you claim to be our protectors at least stop making excuses for criminals and assholes who harm or harass women. Even the courts are soft on this. And if I had to choose; I’d choose to be with 20 cats over a bitter man who thinks I’m too stupid to make my own decisions and treats me like a cum dumpster. At least cats can show empathy.

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      7. That’s all fine and dandy. But that doesn’t address the fact that men do not own us. We don’t owe you anything. The men that accomplished those things were compensated for it. This article is to tell you we are sick of being treated like property. Did you not read that part. It was pretty much the WHOLE ARTICLE. Don’t treat us like you own us. You don’t. Its really simple. Im not trying to insult you, I don’t hate men, I hate being treated like a piece of meat. And if you treat women that way, yes, I probably hate you, too. Say what you want, we don’t answer to you, and we don’t owe you anything. I understand perfectly what men can do and have done and I think that’s awesome. I wouldn’t want a world without men. I just don’t want to be treated that way, and you wouldn’t either.

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      8. The first computer programmer was a woman. The only person to win two Nobels – in separate fields – was a woman. Her work led to massive advances in chemistry, biology, medicine, etc. And of course, the person who really discovered the helical structure of DNA was a woman! Women have been at the forefront of every major technological advance.

        Food for thought.

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        1. “The first computer programmer was a woman”

          https://www.1843magazine.com/intelligence/cracking-coder

          That’s an urban legend promoted by feminists/progressives. It’s really not true.

          “The only person to win two Nobels – in separate fields – was a woman. ”

          Not strictly true. Marie Curie won a nobel in chemistry for discovering 2 elements but the one in physics she shared with her husband, whose coattails she was riding on, just like Ada Lovelace. In virtually every case of a woman winning a nobel prize or being credited with something “phenomenal”, there’s a whiff of “a likely story” because it’s usually a case of her assisting her husband or another man. Feminists/progressives have been desperate to advertise women as being the great scientists and there’s nothing they won’t lie about or exaggerate.

          “And of course, the person who really discovered the helical structure of DNA was a woman! ”

          No, it wasn’t.

          “Women have been at the forefront of every major technological advance.”

          No they haven’t. You’ve named TWO and they’re highly exaggerated.

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        2. Even if you introduced him to the women who wrote the code that makes machines into computers and not toasters, even if the MEN who took the credit ADMITTED their theft, and even if the women had been allowed to register patents for THEIR work, these little boys would NEVER admit or accept it. How could they? It would shake their confidence and shatter their worlds.

          Some of us – the grown up ADULTS don’t need to belittle women in order to feel powerful. We have no fear of women nor of their power. We value the roles they play and acknowledge their strengths and their essential place as Life-givers. Maybe ONE DAY, the male gender will get over its obsession with guns, destruction and grabbing power but I am not holding my breath.

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      9. A woman invented the first computer…Babbage, I believe? This guy is a random nut job, troll, obviously. And I understand he’s at the age of retirement…so also a dinosaur! Hopefully his kind will be extinct soon.

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        1. Babbage DIDN’T invent he theorised. He came up with the concept. The machine wasn’t even built until AFTER his death. Nobody even though it could work. It took a woman to turn the idea into a practical application. No amount of denial can turn a fact into a lie.

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        2. MY life is almost over and it matters none. Your attitudes will continue to wreak pain and misery after I have died. That is the sadness. And it will have been for nothing because MEN are driving this planet to extinction. There will be no victors except maybe Gaia herself. SHE will have the last laugh as she restores the planet to balance.

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        3. Yep- the planet will take care of herself and by the time she recovers from humanity’s toxic behavior our so proud civilization will be nothing but dust. Not really a problem for me. 🙂

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      10. Women never got the chance to invent all those things because we were to busy completing our designated role, hell we could not even play tennis 100 years ago! Having said that the worst misogynists in this world are women, we are the ones that do not stand up for ourselves and kept the status quo going and put other women down. Take female genital mutilation, done by women to women, supposed to be for men. I mean who thought up this crap? Foot binding was irradicated in China in a generation, but, that did not have any religious connotations….religion, I shouldn’t go there but remember when God wanted a Son? He had to artificially inseminate a women, right, remember that? How come, if he is God, how come he couldn’t invent his own womb? Exactly, so why to we believe all this and follow it and put women in their place all the time? Someone should have cut Saul of Tarsus’ writing finger off!!

        i am 63. I am a man free woman, I love it, never feel lonely, alone is good, alone is free….and I have no cats.

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      11. WRONG, you fucking asshat. Women have contributed equally in all aspects of science and engineering and every other field, per the ratio in which they were PERMITTED BY MEN to participate. We are smarter than you- it’s a biological fact. We don’t start wars. We don’t create pollution and sickness with our greed. If you insist on taking credit for anything, you can have all the glory for the suffering your aggression and selfishness has caused for thousands of years.

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        1. Women were always able to invent and innovate. 99.9% were by men with no formal education. You’re grasping at straws.

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        2. Totally with you on that Jennifer. It’s another dimension of men that I have been acutely aware of. Virtually no sense of personal responsibility and only too eager to walk away from the chaos they create when it suits them. I haven’t done the math but I’ll bet the number of men who have refused to support THEIR progeny far outstrips the mothers who abandon their young.

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      12. Because women were not allowed to be engineers, scientists or students where they could learn such skills. Dad’s taught thier skills to thier son’s, not thier daughters. Daughter’s learnt to cook and clean with thier mother’s and for a long time, seeing as women’s brains were percieved as smaller then mens’ they must be less intellegent therefore physically couldn’t do these things’s even if they tried. These inventions you’ve mentioned are fantastic luxuries made by great men who were probably spurred on by great women. And the genuies that were invented these great things, all had great mother’s who passed on some great part of themself, be it genetics, up-bringing, schooling and other education to help make them the people they were.

        I myself experienced an incident as a music gig, I was outside getting some air while my partner was inside thrashing around to some good dmb. A guy at the otherside of the courtyard motioned to me in a ciggarette smoking guesture, I thought he must have wated one and I was in a good mood. This was my frist mistake. I went over and offered one to him, turns out he didn’t smoke. He just wated me to go over and chat to him, God forbid he come to me. He asked me if I was there with anyone seeing I looked a bit sad by myself. I said I was there with my partner. He told me he was single and in my city for business. It got uncomfotably silent so I excused myself to grab a drink inside. There I sipped my drink at the bar and before I knew it he had appeared beside me for round two. He asked me to dance I declined politely, prefering to drink my drink. He stood there and waiting for me to finish my drink. He waited a while and before I had the chance to grab another drink he grabbed my hand and pushed me slightly into the crowd and tried to dance with me making me very uncomfortable. For the second time that night he told me I would look prettier if I smiled. After dancing with him for a total of 5 seconds I excused myself to the bathroom where I panic texted my boyfriend. Telling him to meet me outside the bathroom and that a guy wouldn’t leave me alone. My boyfriend agreed, I waited a couple of mins then went ouside. The guy was still standing at the bar and stared at me, we made eye contact and I walked briskly outside where my boyfriend decided we were going to meet instead of where I asked. I told him what had happened and he asked me if it upset me enough to leave. He didn’t want to and made that obvious. The guy inside finally got the picture and dissapeared. Why didn’t I just tell him to fuck off? Because I was terrifired he would flip out and abuse me. And women are conditioned, I was conditioned to be polite, give excuses, try and diffuse the situation, be ANYTHING OTHER than assertive or aggressive.

        You may say, you can’t blanket every man together, that it was a isolated incident. They are all isolated incidents. A lot of them. It happens so often, friends of my father making sexual jokes. Men at car shows trying to chat me up. Students at school trying it on for size. Men at bar’s when I’m out with friends. Even at intermediate having male students snapping the bra straps of girl’s who were already self conscious of thier changing bodies.

        Your mother experienced things like this, possibly worst as it was more accepted and your daughter will experience it too. The catcalls, the guys who won’t take no for an answer, men far outside thier age group making comments they think are benign, guys following them around a little to closely, The creep on the bus. Not feeling totally safe anywhere, being told what they wear affects the opposite sex as well as things they do. That men can’t control thier urges, that you are beasts. Anything terrible that happens to a woman? How was she behaving? What had she said? What was she wearing? Wrong place, wrong time? How did she ask for it?

        This is our daughter’s, our sister’s, our mother’s, our auntie’s, even our grandmother’s safety, thier future.

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        1. Emily, can I suggest that if you’re going to post long tedious delusional whiny anecdotal ‘women are amazing’ comments, you should at least use a spellchecker, out of respect to your readers? One sentence of 10 words alone contains FIVE typos:

          “Dad’s (sic) taught thier (sic) skills to thier (sic) son’s (sic) not thier (sic) daughters.”

          I expect you’ll say you have blahblahitis and can’t use a spellchecker.

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        2. I can’t seem to reply to you Mike so I’ll leave this here. I didn’t bother spell checking as I didn’t think anyone would even be active on this comment’s section anymore. I just thought I’d leave my two cent’s. I’m not really sorry that my misplacement of a few apstrophies has offended you so greatly. I think it’s quite sad to get so bent out of shape about it. It’s also very blatantly obvious what you’re trying to do here, placing a few fire-starters and lighting a match. This article isn’t about who’s invented what, what sex is better so on. It’s about that plain and simple fact that I’m not property. That no women should be owned. And we shouldn’t have to run around trying to justify that. It’s not even strickly a feminist view. Just equality. Surely slavery was abolished?Surely if you had/have a daughter you would want her to be on an equal footing in terms of what profession she decides to do. Feel as safe where ever she is in the world like most men can? I hope you would encourage her to be great at what she decides to do more than my dad did for me.

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        3. And all MIKE can offer is more blaming, more demeaning and trying to sound superior and failing miserably. It is evident, just from his picture that his attractiveness to women is zero, (oh maybe a blind woman would accept his adolescent approaches) but I would lay money on him having suffered a lifetime of rejection.

          This human species of animal has less chance of surviving the next 100 years thanks to MEN. And I guarantee that as the last manboy gasps his last breath he’ll be blaming his mother or women in general for HIS arrogance and stupidity.

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        4. I’ll see your hard luck story and raise you ……. a random woman stuck her hand down my pants in a nightclub and started playing with my dick, which couldn’t respond because it had been stripped of all erogenous tissue as I didn’t have the right to genital integrity.

          So I was sexually assaulted by a slut. Did I complain? No. I moved on. I must be condiitoned to be polite in the face of sexual assault, I guess. No, this was insignificant to me. My main problem is the fact I can’t experience any sexual pleasure because circumcision (MGM) amputates the sole erogenous organ from the penis. But that’s okay because I’m a man and men are scum, right?

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        5. You refuse to believe what? The fact circumcision destroys sexual pleasure or the fact women commit sexual assault?

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        6. Every single woman I know has had exactly your experience, Emily, including myself. It’s not isolated when it happens to every woman you know. :/

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        7. mathsisshite, I’m very sorry you had that experience. Likely, the woman thought you just wanted sex but didn’t have the male ability to know when a man wants or doesn’t want physical contact so just thought she’d go for it and see what happened. Was she a slut? Because you didn’t want the contact, yes. If you DID want the contact, would she still be a slut?

          *sigh* This sort of experience is what most women endure as a regular thing in one variety or another. It’s not right and it’s not good no matter who it happens to.

          As for your genital mutilation, I’m ver sorry for that, too. As soon as I learned about what doctors and others do to baby boys’ penises I was horrified and knew that if I ever had baby boy that was something that would NOT be done to him! I wouldn’t even pierce a baby girl’s ears, either. Bodily autonomy is vital to a healthy person for sure! However, it’s not true that the penis is the only part of the body that can feel erotic pleasures. People who are quadriplegics, for example, can learn to have orgasms by finding other places on the body that can learn to respond sexually to touch. A google search might yield some useful results for you. There is probably a way for you to feel sensual/sexual pleasure that does not involve your genitals. I hope you find something that works for you!

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        1. “HIDDEN FIGURES” Three brilliant African-American women at NASA — Katherine Johnson (Taraji P. Henson), Dorothy Vaughan (Octavia Spencer) and Mary Jackson (Janelle Monáe) — serve as the brains behind one of the greatest operations in history: the launch of astronaut John Glenn (Glen Powell) into orbit

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      13. Just because men can rub two sticks together and make fire it does not make them Boy Scouts.

        In fact they are more likely to take the fire and burn down everything around them. Wasn’t it a MAN who said ‘Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds’? Wasn’t it a MAN who invented the Gatling Gun, the Napalm Bomb, the Flame-Thrower, Greek Fire, most, if not all the bio-chem weapons, the Gas-ovens at Auschwitz, the Electric-chair, the firing squad, mortars and cannons, etc etc?

        How many Female Camp Kommandents ran the Concentration Camps, or organised the Killing Fields of Cambodia, or kidnapped 100’s of schoolgirls to use as sex-slaves? How many Female CEO’s run Oil companies or polluting coal-fired power stations, or the Mining Companies that supply them while they ravage the environment. There is a reason for there being so few female engineers, and it’s because the projects are almost exclusively the province of men and their Big Dick fantasies.

        Yes Men ARE good at inventing things that can destroy our humanity, our environment, our children, the animals we depend on for a balanced ecology, the seas and forests we need to breathe, they seem LESS capable or interested in solving the problems their arrogance creates.

        As for the assumption you make about MY OWN lifestyle, yet again you conspire with yourself to make a fool out of yourself. Projecting your OWN planet-destroying activities on to me is so far from the mark as to be laughable. It’s true that I enjoy safe drinking water, (unlike the 45 States in Americunt whose water is deemed unsafe for human consumption thanks to the actions of MEN who built pipelines which leak, fracking wells that contaminate aquifers and cause earthquakes), although until fairly recently the supply to the house I protect (NOT OWN OR RENT) came from a mountain glacier via an ancient canal system, and yes I do use a computer which would not have been possible were it not for the contributions made by the FEMALE programmers and the almost exclusively FEMALE workers who put them together in MALE-run sweatshops all over the Far East,and whose efforts were/are deliberately ignored by the Male Establishment. I don’t know who originally built the Shepherd’s Hut that this house was extended from, but given that many of the stone-built dwellings and structures in this region were completed using the boulders that the WOMEN moved and carried up mountain paths for centuries, there’s a good chance that some of them were also involved in the construction. As they are still to this day.

        I don’t own any wheeled transport, though I do occasionally ride the bus – usually driven by a WOMAN, I haven’t watched a television for at least 25 years (but most of THEM are assembled by the more dexterous women workers, as is virtually ALL High Tech equipment.)

        The development of medicines stems almost entirely from the knowledge and trade-craft developed by the WISE-WOMEN we used to call Wiches but which has been confiscated by MEN seeking to make profit from the misery and sickness of the poorest. The very people that USED to visit their village healer – usually a WOMAN. Still today the MALE run Pharma Corporations swindle the mostly female 3rd World aboriginal healers out of their knowledge of plants and expertise in using them for PROFIT or to protect their patents.

        I’ll give you the chemical industry which originated in the dyeing and weaving trades of the mostly Middle Ages European crafts. Interestingly that was the direct ancestor of the explosives and chemical warfare industries. Trust a MAN to see the potential for death in the art of colouring fabrics.

        The problem lies not with technology itself, but in the blinkered view that MEN have of it, That no matter what the original purpose it was intended to achieve MEN will find a way to distort and corrupt it’s potential to one of death and destruction. For instance, did you know that the technology that gave rise to the great Cathedrals and Palaces arose from the engineering needs to construct fortified Castles and fortresses with clear lines of fire? Yet another example of MEN using their knowledge to support and exploit oppressive ideologies and social control systems for the benefit of a Minority Ruling Class of MEN.

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        1. In the course of my research I have confirmed what I already knew on the topic of circumcision. Originally thought to be a procedure that would enhance male hygiene in the Middle East where genital infections and irritation caused by sand had serious consequences, it was carried out by MEN on MEN as women were deemed to be unfit to handle male genitalia. It quickly became religionised in order to ensure compliance and universality, primarily amongst the Abrahamic religions.

          mathsisshite is very enraged by the loss of his own foreskin and seems to blame women for his predicament. However, as in most things his target is in the wrong direction.

          The main element of a bris – also called a brit milah–is the removal of the foreskin from an eight-day-old baby boy’s penis. But a bris is actually more than just a snip; it is a ceremony that includes various traditions, rituals, and prayers. Here’s a rundown of the main events.

          The baby is handed to the sandek, which is the name given to the person who holds the baby during the circumcision. This is often one of the baby’s grandfathers, but parents can also choose to honor other people with the role.

          When the baby arrives, the mohel – a professional specially trained in circumcision – welcomes him with the words: Baruch Ha-Ba. This means “blessed is the one who has arrived.”

          The Procedure
          Before the circumcision, the mohel recites a blessing acknowledging that the mitzvah (religious MALE determined) (commandment) of circumcision is about to be fulfilled.

          The mohel uses a shield to protect the penis and to guide the knife to make sure only the foreskin is cut. There are different kinds of shields, some tighter than others. Some mohalim (plural for mohel) use a tighter shield that functions like a clamp, which they believe eases the baby’s pain. Jewish legal authorities debate the permissibility of these different shields. The general concern is the act of circumcision must immediately draw blood; some tight shields delay blood flow.

          Similarly, Jewish legal authorities debate the use of local anesthetic. Mohalim who do not use anesthetic give the baby sugar water or wine as a mild form of sedation. When choosing a mohel, it is worthwhile to ask what his policies are regarding clamps and anesthetic.

          As in the Muslim tradition – Muslims are still the largest single religious group to circumcise boys. In Islam circumcision is also known as tahara, meaning purification. … In the Sunnah, Muhammad stated that circumcision was a “law for men.” The main reason given for the ritual is cleanliness. (Aug 13, 2009) – it has been given a MALE-Dominated Religious significance with no basis in medical fact or purpose. Just as the practice of FEMALE circumcision has been carried out in very many Patriarchal societies for the express purpose of restricting female sexual pleasure and opportunity, and ensuring their submission to male gratification. Women have been coerced into performing this barbarity by the men thus ensuring THEIR complicity.

          mathsisshite is right to complain that his physical integrity was violated. Whether for religious or cultural reasons we do not know. The fact remains it is MEN who have invented and continue to inflict this monstrous procedure for whatever justification based on a Male-orientated concept of God’s (a MAN) wishes.

          Terrorist groups today (as in the past) use the “foreskin test” to determine the victims for execution, otherwise called MURDER. Almost exclusively MEN killing Men.

          So, mathsisshite, direct your outrage where it belongs. At the MALE-dominated religions and customs that have determined the course of Human History down the long dark passage to extinction.

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    2. No sense of personal irony as you attack men once again but thankfully you have given up the ghost as a witless white knight who can’t handle the tough stuff.

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      1. Nah, just haven’t got the patience to try educating witless and unwilling MEN. Strange how the boys in my College classes invariably failed their exams whilst my female students were ahead of the curve in every subject I taught. And I NEVER had to wait for THEIR homework or projects.

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    3. Thanks for putting your powerful thoughts into words. I hope they help young girls and boys steer through the dangerous rapids of life and speak to those who treat women as conquests. There has to be a social sizemic shift to right a lot of wrongs and misconceptions. I’m sorry you’ve chosen to withdraw but I totally understand. I have 4 years on you, gets tireing eh. Enjoy your time, regards, Brian

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    4. I let my disgust for the replies of the little boys here get the better of me. So a few more replies to the unjustifiable snarks and whining have crept from my fingertips. What the hell, SOMEONE has to stand against the tide of arrogance and feeble bigotry of the Lost Boys!

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    5. +Mike Buchanan

      “Some women have made great contributions. We get it. We do. But very often their contributions have been exaggerated. I could send you an article on Rosalind Franklin but you wouldn’t read it. She thought DNA was a triple helix, Crick & Watson worked out it was a double helix. Franklin may or may not have got a Nobel Prize, but they’re not awarded posthumously.”

      And Fleming almost ignored the mould that led to Penicillin.

      “It’s commonly believed that James Watson and Francis Crick discovered the double helix shape of DNA. But in fact, they based their work on one of their colleagues at King’s College in London – Rosalind Franklin, an x-ray diffraction expert whose images of DNA proteins in the early 1950s revealed a helix shape.Feb 15, 2011”

      “A similar set of events occurred when Chien-Shiung Wu (1912-1997), a Chinese-American female experimental physicist, upended a law of physics but her findings were credited to two male theoretical physicists, Tsung-Dao Lee and Chen Ning Yang, who initially approached Wu to help disprove the law of parity”

      “Although much progress in women’s rights took place following the 1950s when Franklin’s and Wu’s discoveries were largely overtaken by male scientists, a similar set of events happened when Jocelyn Bell Burnell (born July 15, 1943), an Irish astrophysicist, discovered the first radio pulsars as a 24-year-old postgraduate student in Cambridge on November 28, 1967

      Despite having been the first to ever observe a pulsar, Jocelyn Bell Burnell, was largely excluded from the initial accompanying accolades associated with this discovery. In fact, her supervisor, Antony Hewish would go on to earn a Nobel Prize in Physics in 1974 (along Martin Ryle) while Bell Burnell was excluded.”

      And the story goes on: “6 Women Scientists Who Were Snubbed Due to Sexism”

      It’s so easy to tell the truth, one wonders why so many people (MEN mostly) find it so difficult.

      “Are the Nobel Prizes Missing Female Scientists?
      The prize is biased toward men of European descent, and European and American researchers in general, a bias that is part of a larger problem of excluding women and minorities for consideration”
      By Jesse Emspak, LiveScience on October 7, 2016

      “10 Groundbreaking Women Scientists Written Off By History”

      Maybe if more MEN had INQUIRING minds and the natural curiosity that comes from an absence of arrogance and the ridiculous proposition that Men are superior, they would be more inclined to RESEARCH their arguments BEFORE making themselves look stupid. It’s not that hard, just requires acceptance that KNOWLEDGE is better than hubris. It took me 5 minutes to uncover these examples of male suppression of female expertise.

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    6. “men are largely incapable of reaching maturity and have little or no capacity for intelligent, fact-based thought.”

      I hope that is polemical but ya got some serious issues, dude.

      Human extinction in 50-100 years? Pshaw.

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  2. We are a ‘threat’.
    We have ALWAYS been God, protector and destroyer.
    Boys and Men cannot enter this world without us, not yet anyway.
    Do as China did, except for boys.
    Learn martial arts.
    Train yourselves to use and to kill with guns or tazers or the good ole fashioned hairspray and a lighter.
    Use birth control.
    Embrace Your Feminine Warrior.
    Support Your Sisters and share our hard earned wisdom.
    Guide the young.
    Practice Your Shadow Wisdom, be willing to embrace your ruthlessness.
    Don’t ‘fight’ men on the field they created to strengthen them. Bring them into yours.
    Don’t fight the snake on the ground, where he has leverage. Bring the snake into the air. Drop him. Let gravity do the work.
    You fly away and don’t spare him another thought.
    #DivineFeminineTsunami

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        1. Here’s a qualified observation.
          If you unscramble the letters of your fake online troll name you can easily find the letters to spell out “ass hat shit”.
          Since this ass hat shit is what you spew here I can only assume that your name is a subconscious cry for clarity and justice. Or maybe just an act of God.
          You are a coward and a bully. I am not afraid to use my real name and I stand behind everything I say both online and in person you insignificant cowering little piece of….”ass hat shit”

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      1. What? Really? But- she’s just parroting back to you what men have said for ages. Control, crush,dominate, destroy, walk away, repeat. What’s good for the goose…

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      2. And YOU should be very, very scared that she is. As you are a coward you won’t attempt this, but for others I just googled THIS search ” women performing extraordinary feats in extremis” and I wouldn’t want to risk upsetting them.

        Strange how men are so opposed to women who use male tactics and techniques for their own defence. What are you scared of, boys? That she’ll be better at it than you?

        HAH!

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    1. LOL train please. an untrained man does it better naturally.
      because guess what. WE ARE PROTECTORS AND SURVIVORS

      YOU LADIES WERE JUST ALONG FOR THE RIDE

      push a man too far and see what it gets you.. go ahead use your martial arts(that men invented by the way) and gun(that men also invented) and tazer

      but be warned. tazer a man and he may very well just tough the pain and get to you anyways.

      id like to see a woman do that.

      ignorant twat.

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      1. There is something really wrong with you. Why are you so bent out of shape over an article? Its an opinion. That everyone is entitled to. No one’s done anything to you or taken anything from you, and you are actually trying to menace and intimidate. And about one step from making threats. For what? You are being exactly what this article describes. Go back and read it again, then read the comments. We cant even express how we feel without being told we don’t know what we’re talking about. Our feelings… We’re just delusional. Really.

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        1. You cannot expect these cry-babies to empathise with what women have experienced for thousands of generations. They cannot master Maslow’s Fourth Level of Development so how can they evolve to higher concepts of emotional and intellectual maturity?

          It’s like asking a slug not to eat your cabbages or an amoeba to feel sympathy for a dolphin. In any event they are not worth the energy even to feel sorry for, so save your emotions for a man who does not need to put YOU down to compensate for his inadequacy.

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      2. So interesting to me that the only part of a woman that appeals to you is also used almost universally as an insult. Why in the world would you want to have physical contact with something that you have so little respect or love for?

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      3. WOMEN don’t need to use boy-toys to take you down. One well-aimed pointed-toe high-heel shoe to the ball-sack and you are a whimpering cry-baby writhing in agony on the ground. A man can be killed with a kick in the nuts, whereas women regularly endure pain greater than anything ANY man has experienced without having been blown up by a roadside bomb,

        You act so tough and still a slight cold sends you crawling to your bed claiming the World is ending and Life is not worth living. Sooo brave, sooo macho, sooo pathetic.

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      4. One kick with a pointed high-heel and you are a whimpering baby-boy, grovelling on the ground, crying for his Mama. One sneeze and you whimper in bed calling for your woman to bring hot lemon. One hang-nail and you need instant surgery and a general anaesthetic.

        The REAL, TRUE man would be TEACHING his female relatives, friends, associates how to better defend themselves from the likes of you who think only of assaulting them.

        Be warned, a tigress will kill a tiger for just looking at her young, a lioness likewise. Never get between a mother and her child or test her resolve to take you down.

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  3. Reblogged this on Life is for Living Every Day and commented:
    Reblogging this in support of all women who have experienced any of the scenarios described here (I am sure there will be at least one woman and one scenario; for starters). I am however also high-fiving this author who has stood up and stood out with her clear strong language. She makes me even prouder to be a woman who is more than a piece of property. Something to truly think about as we move through life mostly in a vague world pretending to be black and white.

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      1. Hey microscopic dick, i just realised why you had the foreskin cut, they used it to supplement your brain cells and now you can only spurt infertile and barren thoughts out of your head,

        Maybe you could complain to the MEN who came up with the idea of circumcision and who have perpetuated it together with FGM instead of spitting your ineffective seed at those who don’t even care that you exist.

        Sad little man-boy, boo hooo.

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  4. Would you please contact me? I would like to include this piece in a book I’m writing. It fits nicely in the couverture segment. I have a contact page. I cannot find yours.

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  5. I am amazed how you seem to think moving from an obnoxious come on to murder and ownership was a thread proofed and proves all men feel so entitled.

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  6. Keep on writing pieces like this! I have met many strong, masculine, aware men in their 20s who think about and fight for equality every day because they’ve grown up in a world where women have become outspoken about what we need and deserve. There is still a ways to go – including ridding ourselves (women, that is) of some culturally conditioned behaviors responses that help maintain the status quo, but there is lots of hope for this and other equalities coming to fruition, because we keep speaking out, teaching, and being heard.

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    1. “…many strong, masculine, aware men in their 20s who think about and fight for equality every day …”

      That’s strange because it seems to me that far too few men are interested in promoting men’s rights so that there can be equality. Most men in their 20s are so indoctrinated with the branch of Cultural Marxism known as feminism that they don’t even realise they don’t have equality under the law with women, nor that they have equal pay until in their 30s, nor that they are ever likely to have equal pay per hour, nor that males have an educatiion crisis yet the government only has sex-specific programs for females, nor any of the many other ways in which they are held down as social and legal inferiors.

      So just where are all the men in their 20s who are free of feminist influences to think about and fight for equality?

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      1. Seriously? source please. most unskilled 20 something women make less than unskilled 20 something men because of taking off time for child bearing. You are the first source I’ve seen that puts that in reverse. Not sure how that’s gonna change. Men are in the draft because of the rules (men made) denying women (who want to serve) over fear of rape and killing a fetus. Not much anyone can do about that either. We have pre-nups now. If you don’t get one and pay alimony well, you dropped the ball there. My friend’s ex-husband is currently threatening her with alimony. Do you think its only women collecting these days? Are you crying about child support? cuz that’s your fault too- don’t like it, keep it in your pant or consider taking care of your own kids. (There is something called a zero diaper change dad- judges are aware) i”m not sure what else you could even be talking about. Men are far more likely to get entry to nice colleges with frivolous scholarships from sports, (which I feel levels out the female ones you’re so pissed about) Boys are far more likely to get attention from educators- a huge leg up. Praised for leadership skills when women are called bossy or bitchy for the same traits. Traits which can mean a much bigger paycheck. There aren’t any careers denied a man. Every governing force in the world is largely male. THe only thing you are fighting is yourselves and your own prejudices -not feminists.

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    2. Lol, “masculine men” supporting this garbage? No, these are the opposite of masculine men. These are emasculated men whose only meaning in their miserable lives are to worship at the alter of women.
      It’s easy to fuck with these individuals. So easy to manipulate and dominate.
      Women are as well. You are so pathetic. We can fuck you over.

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        1. Yep! And all those “emasculated” men I know, love, trust and admire are sharing some amazingly fabulous sex with their companions! Orgasms all around along with real friendships including very long term marriages between couples and in poly groupings. Some of these great guys are young, in their twenties, but all ages and races are represented, same for the women in my circles. I have the VERY best friends. 🙂 Overall, it seems that equality and feminism has resulted in lots of great sex, great food, great living conditions and happy children so I think it’s possible that most of the obviously really unhappy, angry people commenting here just don’t know how good it really can be.

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      1. Masculine men don’t need to dominate. They don’t have to prove how strong they are, they don’t have to bully, or intimidate, or be vicious. They know they are masculine and so does everyone else. They treat people well because thats how decent people act. They respect people, they value people, and they show love. There’s nothing I like better than a truly masculine man. But that’s not what youve described. This is not a game. Im not competing with you. Im sure you have many fine qualities. But you arent showing them right now. It takes nothing away from you to treat women with respect. If you just don’t know how, then say so.

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      2. And your nom de plum (not a spelling error) is clear evidence of your weakness and ineffectuality. You are DEFINITELY not the kind of faggot to have with gravy. Perhaps more like those used to burn women at the stake.

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      3. The only thing you can f*ck over is a sheep tied to a tree. And more than a few of those poor creatures have experienced your premature ejaculations.

        Men who have no need of constant reassurance, no coddling and nannying, Men who are NOT Mummy’s Boys KNOW that respect is earned, not a God-given right just because your gonads swing between your legs. REAL men have sufficient self-respect to afford respect to others, be they male OR female. It is only the insecure, weak-minded, needy man-baby’s who have to PROVE what cannot be proved; that they are superior only in their capacity for self-delusion and self-aggrandisement. Just as you did in your feeble attempt at bravado.

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  7. What!?!?!?! “Icy stare?” “Rolling eyes?” “I have a boyfriend?” I’m sorry, but this is a MAJOR PET PEEVE OF MINE. Articles claiming to support women’s empowerment normalizing the idea that THIS passive-aggressive bullshit is “setting a boundary.” No, it isn’t. It’s passive-aggressive bullshit. Here’s setting a boundary. Guy sits down. You say, “I do not want you to sit here. Please leave now.” If he doesn’t leave, GET MANAGEMENT AND TELL THEM THIS GUY IS NOT RESPECTING YOUR BOUNDARIES. If management doesn’t back you up, leave and never give this place your consumer dollars again. Period. I have no sympathy for people who complain about other people not respecting boundaries that were not clearly stated.

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    1. I have said this MANY times.

      A woman owes you NOTHING.

      If she says or indicates “no”… the discussion is done. PERIOD.

      In my perfect world, the “Why not?” from him would be answered with a stabbing ( or at least a knee to the ‘nads).

      That women feel forced to claim they are owned by another “real person” ( read ‘male’ ) to be left alone is complete and utter bullshit.

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        1. Ah, the classic terrified male who offers the rape apologist mentality because he is so terrified of being corrected by a woman who deep down inside, he knows is way out of his league and doesn’t need his validation to begin with. Fascinating!

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        2. Sweetie, I urge you to take a few breaths – calm down – and realize that what you just offered is exactly what many rapists offer when caught: “she said no but I know women, they really mean yes.” Your comment is literally the caricature of a rape apologist, if you don’t know what that term means, I’d encourage you to do a Google search.

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        3. ““she said no but I know women, they really mean yes.” ”

          I didn’t say all women in every situation. You’re putting words in my mouth. Deliberately, most likely, unless you truly are this dense.

          I’ve been in situations with women where they’ve said “I’m not going to have sex with you”. I reply, “That’s fine, I don’t want to” and the next reply is “ok let’s do it but don’t tell my boyfriend”. Women often play hard to get. I can’t explain what goes on inside their heads, but it happens.

          And you know it happens. But you ignore it, and call anyone who acknowledges typical female behaviour a rape apologist. When it comes to courtship and seduction, women aren’t as straightforward as men. They do things men can’t understand but which they can eventually learn to become attuned to in order to follow through with seduction.

          You feminists just ignore how real men and women interact in these situations.

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        4. Sexuality is complex and it sounds like you’ve put yourself in situations where things weren’t as clear or perhaps you don’t have a lot of experience sexually to understand the dynamics that people are speaking to, here but it’s really quite easy. When a woman says no, you simply stop. Even if her body seems to be responding sexually (nerve endings tend to do that). You simply stop. It’s not complicated. If she’s being coy or if she’s hesitant, then you can simply ask her to clarify what she means and if she wants to proceed, you wait for that signal. Moving past her “no” because you honk you know better is when rape occurs.

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        5. We call those women rape victims, because some entitled person thought they knew better what another human wanted than that human, and WOW shocker, somehow this secret desire lined up with the rapist’s. I mean, the mental gymnastics are impressive, sort of like it’s impressive when a dog eats shit and doesn’t throw up.

          But speaking as a woman (pretty familiar with female behavior), you are extremely pathetic and I can totally understand how no woman would willingly get near you. Instead of fantasizing about rape, maybe you should be honest with yourself for awhile. Get to know yourself. Would you fuck you? No, of course you wouldn’t. Work on that.

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        6. I have NEVER told a guy no and actually meant yes. AND I’m real. Please stop spreading this rape-y ass garbage. The woman who did that to you is either messed up in the head or from some throwback culture where virginity considered a deal breaker. Its very rare in this era of porn- and easy to assess. Even in that case- its still a no. More to the point of the article; I’ve said no and still continued to be NICE to the guy -and 9 times out of ten I regret it because of this sort of cultural bs. (I’m still being nice =yes despite a clear no) Its condescending, pathetic, and annoying. Did you ever think that yelling at these guys ruins our nights too? What’s worse, is after sometimes having to be mean to get my point across, I’m then called a lezbo feminatzi bitch for my initial civility. If he’s a real piece of work he’ll go crying to his bros who retaliate in a variety of ways. Pretty much every woman has been through something like this.
          Is it too much to ask men to just walk away after a no? grow a friggin pair! The lady on the other side of the bar may actually be taken with such a display of confidence. I too am attuned to female behavior, (how could I not be) most of us love confidence. Please consider this: if you walk away, then the woman saying no to all men, (men she secretly wants in your ‘expert’ assessment) she will find herself missing out and alone despite those offers. She will have to change HER behavior and grow up. (to the benefit of everyone) You should leave her alone until she figures out how to express her needs and desires clearly like an adult. I’m not sure why you threw in the cheating though, it reeks of bitterness. Maybe you should go feed your dogs.

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        7. Great post! I love your suggestion that if a woman says “no” then the guy should just walk away. Totally makes sense. No harm, no foul on either side.

          I’ll only add that some people (not just women) find it hard to say “no” due to past abuse. When I was a kid I said “no” very clearly and was ignored. I was maybe 11 and this had a profound effect on me, literally rewiring my brain so that it took me years and years of therapy and practice to recover even partially. Now I can say “no” when I mean it- but only if I’m feeling safe. If I get frightened my brain shuts down and I’m lost. So… I’m vigilant about who I hang out with and how and when. Luckily, I have a very high class of friends of all sexes so I’m in a much better way than I might be.

          Anyway, excellent post.

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        8. Your “attunement” to female behaviours is about as accurate as a tuning fork vibrating to a jelly custard. What YOU are describing is YOUR wish-fulfilment and projected desire and sense of juvenile entitlement.

          In other words “She HAS to mean YES because I am a MAN and WHO could resist me?”

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      1. FFS You say it’s complex then proceed to make out it’s simple. Rubbish. I’ve been in many situations where a woman either said no initially or was coy and the end result was yes, they did want to have sex. Nothing kills the mood more than asking “can you sign a consent form ” or “do you want to have sex?”

        You’re denying the reality of male-female sexual situations because of feminist brainwashing. I bet you think men who have consensual sex with women who chose to get drunk are rapists too. It’s all man hatred.

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        1. i realize it must be frustrating for you not to have the last word on a women and what she really wants, really thinks and what she really needs. You needing it has nothing to do with us as women and everything to do with whatever you’re. Ompenssting for. Something awfully painful must have happened in your life to make you have such a desperate need to have it – what was if? Are you married? What was your longest, healthiest relationship with a woman?

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        2. What do you mean have the last word? We’re talking about a sexual situation between a man and a woman. I know when a woman doesn’t want to have sex, but to say “if she says no, in every situation, that means no” is clearly ridiculous as it ignores female behaviour and boils seduction down to feminist black and white consent forms.

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        3. In this entire thread, you demean and disrespect others who have a different opinion about what women think and feel and it’s particularly unusual to watch you suggest that you actually know what a woman thinks and feels better than actual women who are disagreeing with you. It’s pretty clear that you’re traumatized and operating out of a place of substantial woundedness; I’ve asked you several times what your relationship status is and you refuse to answer which indicates you’ve never been in a long-term relationship with a woman and/or someone really did a number on you. It’s silly for you to imagine that you know women and can educate women about women! Kind of delusional, actually, there’s really no other way to say if, but your obsession with being right I’m sure, has been and continues to be why you have struggled in maintaining a loving and healthy relationship. And that’s sad. I hope you pursue therapy for whatever trauma or unresolved hurt is causing you to act out so uncontrollably. Take care honey.

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        4. My relationship status has nothing to do with this. Because you can’t’ rebut any of my arguments, you have to resort to throwing in red herrings. You sound like you’re projecting. You’re making out that any man who disagrees with you has been hurt by a woman. I could just as easy say you’ve been hurt by a man.

          If you MUST know, I chose to be single many years ago because of the fact I was genitally mutilated and can’t enjoy sex. This has no bearing on this topic. Though it’s yet another example of how males have less rights than females in this society. If I was a woman , it would never have happened.

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        5. mathsisshite I read your response to drinsf about your relationship status. I am sorry that something terrible happened to you, not sure exactly so forgive me guessing. But I feel whatever anger you have towards sex and relationships and possible rejections is aimed at woman as whole and it’s a shame that is how you cope. In Islamic and African cultures young girls and woman are genitally mutated and cut and cannot enjoy sex either. There are many health issues we face that get brushed off or ignored that wouldn’t be the case if we were male. I hope that you can find a loving companion, sex isn’t everything in a relationship if there is love. They say there is a lid for every pot. In the end life isn’t easy for anyone, but I will say as a woman pretty everything stated in this article is pretty accurate. It takes empathy to put yourself in someone’s shoes. I will never know what men struggle though, I get that, I can only judge this world as a 5’3 110 lb woman. Where I constantly have to have my guard up, walk with a purpose, don’t leave my drink unattended, go to restrooms in a group. ect. I don’t hate men, wanting a better world for our son’s and daughters isn’t hateful. Wanting the treatment as man, and not seen as a second class citizen doesn’t seem to unreasonable. Whether you’re a 6’4 man or a 4’10 woman We shouldn’t be treated any less because of the gender we we’re born as. Good day

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        6. ” I read your response to drinsf about your relationship status. I am sorry that something terrible happened to you, not sure exactly so forgive me guessing. But I feel whatever anger you have towards sex and relationships and possible rejections is aimed at woman as whole and it’s a shame that is how you cope. In Islamic and African cultures young girls and woman are genitally mutated and cut and cannot enjoy sex either. There are many health issues we face that get brushed off or ignored that wouldn’t be the case if we were male. I hope that you can find a loving companion, sex isn’t everything in a relationship if there is love. They say there is a lid for every pot. In the end life isn’t easy for anyone, but I will say as a woman pretty everything stated in this article is pretty accurate. It takes empathy to put yourself in someone’s shoes. I will never know what men struggle though, I get that, I can only judge this world as a 5’3 110 lb woman. Where I constantly have to have my guard up, walk with a purpose, don’t leave my drink unattended, go to restrooms in a group. ect. I don’t hate men, wanting a better world for our son’s and daughters isn’t hateful. Wanting the treatment as man, and not seen as a second class citizen doesn’t seem to unreasonable. Whether you’re a 6’4 man or a 4’10 woman We shouldn’t be treated any less because of the gender we we’re born as. Good day”

          Where have I expressed anger towards sex and relationships? I’m the one defending normal natural male-female courtship and seduction rooted in biology. It’s the author of this piece and her followers who’re trying to hinder normal male-female relations.

          I’m well aware of FGM in these countries (and how every single one of them perform MGM, too, and in greater numbers). But the author of this piece is talking from a Western perspective. What female health issues get brushed off? Men pay the majority of tax and the majority of health funding goes toward female health issues. Most discussion about health issues in the media revolves around female health issues.

          If you have your guard up all the time, that’s your personal problem, it’s not due to men. If you feel you need to walk with a purpose (Whatever that means) that’s your own personality quirk, nothing to do with men. If you don’t leave your drink unattended, that’s just plain old common sense (congratulations), the same as how it’s common sense for me to lock my door at night, it’s nothing to do with men. If you go to restrooms in a group, it’s because that’s what women do, it’s typical female behaviour (most of you go there to gossip and talk about cute guys) and nothing to do with men victimising you. You don’t want tobe treated like a man because if you were treated like a man, you’d cry a lot because you couldn’t handle it. You , like all feminists ,want equality when it suits you and when it doesn’t, you want special treatment/privileges. Women in the West aren’t seen as second class citizens. If anything , they are worshipped and seen as 1st class citizens while men, particularly white men, are seen as second class citizens.

          Feminists don’t want a better world for men and women. They want men shouldering more and more responsibilities, men being treated as lesser and women being given more and more special privileges and rights, which harms both men and women ultimately.

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        7. So, you are out with a mate for a good booze-up. You both get blasted and on the way home HE pushes you HIS FRIEND into the bushes and rogers you. YOU are too wasted to realise what is happening and the grim realisation hits next day when you find your bloodied underwear.

          But of COURSE you REALLY meant to say YES.

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        8. “So, you are out with a mate for a good booze-up. You both get blasted and on the way home HE pushes you HIS FRIEND into the bushes and rogers you. YOU are too wasted to realise what is happening and the grim realisation hits next day when you find your bloodied underwear.”

          But nothing you’ve described here refers to any of my logic. The issue was about the insistence that a woman saying no one time means you have to give up trying because “no means no”. I haven’t said men should penetrate a woman while she’s screaming no. That’s you strawmanning me. Feminists love to strawman. I don’t know if it’s because they have interpretation difficulties, or they just do it deliberately to try and demonise their inerlocuter.

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        9. Well, why not just take a “no” as a “no” whether or not a person might mean otherwise? If you act as if a person means what they say they’ll either figure this out and be relieved or you’ll figure out they’re not a person you want to be involved with. Who wants to be with someone who isn’t going to say what they mean? Who wants to be with someone who won’t take a “no” for a “no?” Or a “yes,” for that matter? You’ll eliminate the people you don’t really want to be with and the ones who figure it out will probably chase you down because you’re such a rare creature.

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      2. Here’s my problem. The very last time my wife of 24 years answered a simple straightforward yes or no question with a simple straightforward yes or no answer was when I proposed. On all other occasions, her response was A)ambiguous silence, B)what do you think? C)Don’t ask stupid questions D)an extremely long diatribe upon why the question is a stupid one, sans answer. Men are assumed by women to be all knowing psychics able to read their minds. I would be totally dumbfounded to receive a No answer from my wife, or any other woman for that matter. Doesn’t happen in real life.

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        1. This this this. Nailed it, Chris. The feminists are no different. They constantly claim women are equal to men and have agency, but every single policy they propose exemplifies how they expect women to abdicate responsibility and men to be the ones to bear ever burden

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        2. It’s probably because as woman. we don’t want to say or do the wrong thing and try to make careful decisions. I do this all the time and am teaching myself to try not to. I lack confidence and if my Fiancé asks what I want for dinner my classic response is “I don’t Know, What do you want” I really want Boston Market, But I’ll list options and when He says ok Boston Market I go :Ok That works!. My Feeling is that, I’m not playing a game because I’m a jerk. It’s because if I deflect it as his choice, I can’t be held responsible, If it’s bad he can’t be angry at me, and anger leads to abuse. I think this is engrained in woman, as a protective measure ( my fiancé has never abused me) I’m trying to be more decisive and I train people at work, which has helped too. Plus woman who are strong, assertive and comfortable making decisions; are deemed bossy, bitchy, mean, ect. Sometimes it seems we can’t win! It might help if you assure your wife that whatever she chooses is ok. If it looks like something is bothering her ask her and if she stays quiet, keep talking about something casual or that movie you want to see, the fact you keep engaging her, she might open up about what it is where she had a bad day at work or health issue ect. Hope that helps and one woman’s perspective and Congratulations on 24 years of marriage!

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        3. Oh of course it does, don’t be silly. Your anecdotal experience doesn’t prove anything declaratively, if appropriate to provide a yes or no response, women do that. If a question requires more context or there’s other factors to consider? Women approaching a question in pursuit of either is reflective of someone who wants to make a quality decision, period. Your choice to cast negativity on that way of processing information is entirely your own issue.

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        4. Well… how do you ask your questions? How do you react/respond to her responses? Try asking her very simple questions such as, “Would you like a cup of coffee/tea/water” and then respond respectfully to her answer. Or, if she isn’t clear, either try asking again in a different way (“Are you thirsty?”) and then respond respectfully to that answer as well.

          Or, you could even consider talking with her directly. “I notice that you often don’t give me clear answers in terms of yes or no when I ask you questions. Why is that?” Make sure your tone is open and friendly and then just listen when/if she responds. If she doesn’t give you a clear answer, doesn’t seem to know or even realize she’s doing it then I’d bet there’s either past trauma messing with her and/or that your responses are perhaps making it difficult for her to answer easily. I’m not blaming you particularly for this, just saying that you might play a role in this issue whether you intend to or not.

          A lot of times people ask questions without really wanting an answer or being denigrating when an answer is given. It’s taken me my whole life to realize that my Dad’s abuse of me made it almost impossible for me to give a straight answer to any question that a man asked me whether or not I knew the answer. Early conditioning and later experiences (nearly entirely negative) with men and some women and their questions made it almost impossible for me to say no or yes to anything or to even tell them the truth. What was the point? They never seemed to listen or care about what I thought anyway so why leave myself open for more harm? And there was plenty of harm done, that’s for sure.

          These days I’m surrounded by incredibly caring, kind and honest people of all sexes. Being respected and cared for has made it possible for me to come to really know my own mind and be able to express myself honestly, kindly and openly. But this wasn’t possible until I got the support from real friends. I don’t think most people have truly good friends- they have acquaintances who only hang around while it’s practical… That doesn’t make for being honest and open easy or safe. Please consider this when you talk with your wife.

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      3. So you would violently assault a man for doing this? Haha, maybe your employer would love to know about this. Perhaps a dox is in order.

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    2. “i do not want you to sit there”
      THEN MOVE BITCH
      its a SEAT and you DO NOT OWN IT
      female entitlement “ill get management”
      men never have that option. we cant get anyone to do anything for us.

      but women are oppressed? GO FUCK YOURSELF

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    3. “i do not want you to sit there”
      THEN MOVE BIOTCHE
      its a SEAT and you DO NOT OWN IT
      female entitlement “ill get management”
      men never have that option. we cant get anyone to do anything for us.

      but women are oppressed? GO FOOK YOURSELF

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    4. “i do not want you to sit there”
      THEN MOVE LADY
      its a SEAT and you DO NOT OWN IT
      female entitlement “ill get management”
      men never have that option. we cant get anyone to do anything for us.

      but women are oppressed? GO F YOURSELF

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      1. Really? Women don’t do anything for you? They’ve never done anything for you? Ever? Did u make your own bottles? Change your own diapers? I don’t want to make assumptions or get in your personal business, maybe you were raised by a man and that’s fine. That would explain alot.

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    5. You make a good point. But, why should it get to that point? Why not take no for an answer. Why don’t they leave? No is all that needs to be said. Just no thanks.

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  8. I read this article to a woman while simultaneously having sex with her and flushing her head down the toilet. All she had to say about it was “blurble blurble blurble”

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    1. If I could give the world a gift, it would be providing the financial means for men on this thread like our dear Geheim to experience a year of psychoanalysis to confront whatever unresolved trauma they have with women. Their misplaced anger makes me both sad and embarrassed for you.

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    2. Interesting. I’m a life-long feminist and now into the 32nd year of a fabulous marriage with a gorgeous, loving and feminist man. We are deeply devoted to each other, support each other in everything and have been so since our very first date. It took us both a lot of searching to find each other, a lot of negative experiences to figure out what we wanted from a partner but when we met it was not just love at first sight but, wow, you’re my best friend EVER at first sight! We have lots and lots of dear friends whom we adore, we love animals and the planet and our jobs, we love our home and our housemate and her friends and pet, we love many more things than we hate. In fact, I’d say that we and our feminist friends are some of the happiest and most loving people around and we come in all colors, shapes, sizes and religions/nonreligions. How do we do this? First and foremost, respectful honesty with each other, a willingness to listen and discuss things until we reach understanding (NOT debate, discussion), and finally humility and kindness towards each other and our friends.

      Not much hate here at all, not even for people like you, Nisvoll. Pity and empathy, though. None of us wants anyone to feel so badly about anything. I hope you find happiness and peace.

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  9. this is so wrong.
    why is it that feminism causes these idiotic people to “OWN” wrongs
    im a MAN
    and ive had women treat me like a piece of meat in a similar manner as her example.. not quite the same but women are different than men. but CLOSE

    THIS IS NOT A GENDERED PROBLEM
    ITS A PEOPLE PROBLEM

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    1. Yep, I’ve been badly treated by women as well as men, though the men being mean far outnumber the women- and the women weren’t likely to beat, kill or rape me if they thought I “deserved” it. Still, I get it that women can be really, really mean and I’m sorry you experienced that bad stuff. And I’m with Dawn- we’re here and we’re listening. How did that make you feel?

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  10. Thank you drinsf for your one example of maybe a man stealing a women’s discovery or idea. I can raise you proven examples of men and women doing this to other men and women.
    Its annoying when feminists attribute everyday things to gender.

    You know what’s scary? That in some places in the western world 46% of DV is committed by women on men… WHEN the duluth model is in place!!! It’s scary to think how far the pendulum would swing if the duluth model was abolished… Makes me also wonder if we would have more wars with women in charge.

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    1. visentinel

      History would suggest otherwise. Of course it’s only HIS story, so who knows. What IS interesting is that the times when Women HAVE been in charge and HAVE acted like MEN they are castigated, scorned, vilified and condemned, whereas men are Heros, Patriots, Leaders and Conquerors.

      What is also notable is that the number of women who DO behave like men (perhaps because of the masculine orientation of their brain-wiring) is so small that their actions are highlighted and given great emphasis and publicity. If men do it, ahh. that’s just boys being boys.

      One thing IS certain, however, MEN are taking this planet to another Extinction Event so it’s all moot.

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  11. I thought this post was really well written, thought provoking and right on the money. It’s true- we don’t owe each other anything but civility, honesty, kindness and space to be as we truly are.

    I also think that every person on the planet should read “A History of Their Own” by Bonnie S. Anderson and Judith P. Zinsser. It makes it painfully clear that women and men both (and all the “other” sexes) have been cruelly treated over the last 6000-plus years and made to behave in really outrageously bad ways because of gaslighting and brainwashing.

    Humans are far more than their sexual organs/orientations and to limit us to these body/mind/heart aspects is just a travesty. If we allowed for ALL humans to have equal civil rights, equality before the law and all the rest we would see a real renaissance in the world. When we see each other as being humans first and sexual beings second or even third or fourth then we can really blossom.

    I’m not denigrating sex, sexual desire, sexual behavior or anything like that- as long as it’s coming about through informed consent and between adults. I’m a big fan of orgasms for everyone! But to promote this idea that any person owes another person sexual service because of their apparent sex, the clothes they wear or their relationship to each other is simply slavery. I’ve been very happily partnered for over 30 years and consent is still an everyday part of ALL the things we do together, including sex. And believe me, sex with an enthusiastically consenting partner is FANTASTIC. If you think it’s too much trouble or a dash of cold water on sex then you’re absolutely doing it wrong.

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  12. Hey superstar

    I know they say never read the comments section but yours was rather good, for this piece. Congrats on getting it shared so much and for writing something which caused such incredible outrage. Astonishing really, how much of a threat you appear to have posed, or I’m sure there would be barely a ripple of acknowledgement.

    Anyway. GOOD FOR YOU.

    But remember, G – “Not all men…”

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    1. Feminist logic: If a man disagrees with a woman, that means that woman is a threat. I guess the victims of Aileen Wuornos saw her as a threat when they tried to stop her killing them.

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        1. No, silly! She’s only about two so not an adult and even if she were an adult we can’t understand each other well enough for clear consent.

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    1. That’s messed up logic. Disagree with a feminist and ‘you prove her point’. So who was right, Hitler or the Jews? I mean they both disagreed with each other. I’ll have a guess. The female Jews were right but Hitler and the male Jews were wrong.

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      1. Hello Lawrence. I’m afraid you are mistakenly replying to my comment here. I was actually addressing the author of this piece, not you, so I can only assume your reply to me was accidentally misguided. I will add, however, that if any time I come across any of your work and also feel compelled to write words of high regard and/or support to you, then I am more than happy to engage in an exchange.

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  13. Gretchen, thank you for helping the abnormal be seen as abnormal. There is so much work to be done around issues of respect and boundaries. Making the unconscious, conscious. I have been spending some time trying to better understand how that plays out in the sexual arena!!! If you are interested in this, go to “Fifty Shades of Sexual Connection” at snakeskinned.com It goes from Violently Disconnected Sex, to Blissfully Connected! https://snakeskinned.com/2016/08/18/fifty-shades-of-connection/ also talking about issues of sexual vampirism, boundaries and clear contracts!!! Hope you enjoy! Julie

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    1. Men aren’t entitled to anything more than anyone else- and they also have the right to shut the fuck up. Nothing person, just putting your words into a broader application because why not? If it works for one then it works for the other.

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  14. Not that it makes any of the mentioned problems less a problem, but there is an issue every man faces as he turns 18.

    Men literally ARE property, of the state, should the government will it. That’s what you are required to accept in writing when registering for the draft. Is it surprising then maybe that men continue to treat others as property?

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    1. Well, they did it with slaves, they did it with the native inhabitants of the lands they stole, they do it with the planet itself. Given that it is MEN responsible for drafting OTHER men to fight for them out of cowardice and entitlement, (rather like the draft-dodging cowardly sexual predator now giving licence to every imbecile in the Useless Shitpile of Arseholes to be a sex-criminal) why are you surprised that men continue to treat others as LESS than human?

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    2. The fact that Amerikan’t has a lousy Constitution based on antediluvian notions of enslaving ANYONE or ALL and that the State has rights is a problem for YOU. Enlightened societies see the people AS the state and their rights are paramount.

      Most nations today have abolished conscription, it’s mainly the regressive/aggressive male dominated states that continue to enslave their own citizens. These same aberrant states are the ones most likely to circumscribe the rights and roles of women. Turkey is a case in point right now as is Russia.

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  15. I didn’t even have to look to know that there would be small boys with small toys here to cry and whine about women and to mansplain and demean women’s contributions to science and tech as “not important” or “worthless”; in addition to, of course, the usual “feminists hate men”, the cat lady jokes, the claiming that women who speak up for themselves are all just lonely fat spinsters, and so forth.

    In short, men coming to pretty much prove everything in the article.

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    1. Nobody did that. I pointed out that the contributions of Ada Lovelace have been grossly exaggerated deliberately, which they have. And Marie Curie DISCOVERED 2 elements, she didn’t invent anything, and she shared another nobel prize despite it being 2 men’s work.

      These are 2 specific cases. Nothing to do with gender politics, just correcting and clarifying. “Mansplain’ is a neologism used by leftists to try and silence dissent, usually inconvenient truths. The fact feminists invented it exemplifies how much they hate and want to silence men.

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      1. Hi! Not all feminists hate men. in fact, most don’t! Hope you can come to understand that someday.

        Also, it’s incredibly simplistic to say Curie didn’t “invent” anything when her work required quite a few new techniques and approaches in order to deal with these new elements. It wasn’t like she just stumbled on something then rode on the coattails of men, which is kind of how you make it sound. She was a very talented scientist who deserved the credit she got. Also, in the sciences, there are many cases of men getting full credit for work that women did. And of course, women have only been more recently allowed the same access as men to scientific fields. If you do some research, you’ll find women have been contributing to sciences and technology in many many ways for all of human history. There are many examples of these things other than Lovelace and Curie. Of course, women probably would have done more if women had been allowed in these schools, and if they had always been given equal credit for their work, which was not always the case. I’ve learned all of this through years of research. It’s just how things are. None of that diminishes the great work that men have done throughout history. Great men from history are still taught about and still deserve credit for what they did. No women are saying “the women actually did everything, the men did nothing.” But the truth is women did a lot more throughout history than many people know about. It wasn’t equal, because they weren’t allowed to be an equal part of these fields and did experience a lot of push-back. I’m confused why drawing attention to female accomplishments in history offends some men. It really doesn’t take away from the great accomplishments men did. It just illuminates the truth of the situation a little more clearly. It’s good for young girls to know there were some awesome women in these fields in the past. That will lead to more women in STEM fields in the future. We need men and women working together to make the most of the future. Thanks.

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      2. “Also, it’s incredibly simplistic to say Curie didn’t “invent” anything when her work required quite a few new techniques and approaches in order to deal with these new elements.”

        Like?

        “. It wasn’t like she just stumbled on something then rode on the coattails of men, which is kind of how you make it sound. ”

        That’s how it DOES sound.

        “She was a very talented scientist who deserved the credit she got. ”

        I’m sceptical. Too many instances of women riding men’s coattails. Ada Lovelace, for example, being billed as the first programmer, when it was clearly Charles Babbage.

        ” Also, in the sciences, there are many cases of men getting full credit for work that women did.”

        Such as?

        ” And of course, women have only been more recently allowed the same access as men to scientific fields. ”

        And yet they still barely make any significant contributions.

        “If you do some research, you’ll find women have been contributing to sciences and technology in many many ways for all of human history. ”

        Were they prevented from science or did they get access to science? You keep contradicting yourself.

        ” There are many examples of these things other than Lovelace and Curie.”

        Many is a huge exaggeration. There are a handful.

        “Of course, women probably would have done more if women had been allowed in these schools, and if they had always been given equal credit for their work, which was not always the case”

        Baseless assertions. You must be a feminist.

        ” But the truth is women did a lot more throughout history than many people know about.”

        Men did a lot more throughout history than many people know about. Most men are not Newton and Galileo and suchlike and don’t get the recognition.

        ” It wasn’t equal, because they weren’t allowed to be an equal part of these fields and did experience a lot of push-back. ”

        You’re making this about sex. It’s about class. 99% of men for most of history had no access to these things. And by the way, not having access to university is no excuse. Most inventions and innovations throughout history came from men who hadn’t been formally educated. So if they could do it, why couldn’t women? Answer: 1) They didn’t want to, and 2) they are different than men neurologically and thus behaviourally and don’t pursue these things, and certainly not to the obsessive degree the top men do.

        ” It’s good for young girls to know there were some awesome women in these fields in the past. That will lead to more women in STEM fields in the future. ”

        Girls don’t need to be patronised. If they are interested in science, they are going to be interested in it regardless of how many women were in science historically. Let them choose what they want to do and don’t propagandise and discriminate in favour of and you’ll find barely any women go into science. And that’s okay

        Learn to paragraph.

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        1. When people attempt to choose a field that is not historically acceptable (women in science, men as stay-at-home dads) then the flak can be tremendous and even fatal in some societies. It’s important to everyone to show examples of PEOPLE doing jobs that are not generally thought to be men’s/women’s work and enjoying it. Success is great but that’s not the only reason for going into a field.

          People in general seem to think that only “real” fill-in-the-blank women/men do certain jobs and that is ultimately silly and wasteful of humanity’s talents and energy. It’s really about control and power over others rather than any rational or logical thought, especially these days when we have machines that can augment a person’s physical or mental strength. Encourage ALL kids of any sex to study the things they love, give them the support and tools they need to learn and then stand back for the renaissance of science, art and all the rest.

          And if you haven’t seen women obsessively pursue a subject then you are really not paying attention. In the music industry you will find thousands of women putting in the hours necessary to become concert-quality players in every type of instrument, in the physical arts such as dressage, field, track, hockey, etc., or in any other field you care to carefully examine. And if there are few or no women in the field look harder for the exclusionary behavior of the men already there. When size and weight are not a requirement (for example in football or Sumo wrestling) there are always some women interested in giving things a try. And even then there are a few women who qualify and are interested and are actually taking part. Just because there aren’t “many” is no reason to limit the field to one sex or another. That’s just sexism and not really based on anything other than those pesky 6000-plus years of social conditioning that we’re all laboring under.

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        2. mathsisshite

          BINGO!!!!!

          There he goes, right on cue.

          Not a verifiable fact in sight, just more of the cant and hypocrisy and regurgitation of the pitiful male self-justification.

          WTG mathsisshite you just won the “I’m A DICKHEAD” of THE YEAR AWARD.

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      3. “HIDDEN FIGURES” – Three brilliant African-American women at NASA — Katherine Johnson (Taraji P. Henson), Dorothy Vaughan (Octavia Spencer) and Mary Jackson (Janelle Monáe) — serve as the brains behind one of the greatest operations in history: the launch of astronaut John Glenn (Glen Powell) into orbit

        HEDY LAMARR – RESPONSIBLE FOR WIFI.

        TWO MORE FOR YOU TO DENIGRATE.

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    2. And DON’T they do it well? It almost as though they think they are RIGHT to be shitty little whiners, like it’s a badge of Courage to show what a nonce they all are and how pathetic their whining is. Oh wait, silly me, they DO think that, for REAL.

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        Q: did Ada Lovelace make a major contribution to computing
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        Contribution to Computing
        The computer was invented by Charles Babbage, with whom Ada worked. Ada Byron was an English writer known for her work on the early mechanical general-purpose computer. Her notes include the first algorithm intended to be processed by a machine and, as such, Ada Byron is regarded as the world’s first computer programmer.

        In a nine-month period from 1842-1843, Ada Byron translated an Italian mathematician’s memoir for Charles’ newest machine. As she was translating, she compiled a set of notes for herself.

        In her notes, she compiled a method for calculating a sequence of Bernoulli numbers with the engine. Had the analytical engine had ever been built, experts suggest Ada’s program would have run correctly on it.

        When Dorothy Stein contended that Charlie mostly wrote the programs and Ada took the credit, he defended Ada’s contribution and wrote the following on the subject:

        “I then suggested that she add some notes to Menabrea’s memoir, an idea which was immediately adopted. We discussed together the various illustrations that might be introduced: I suggested several but the selection was entirely her own. So also was the algebraic working out of the different problems, except, indeed, that relating to the numbers of Bernoulli, which I had offered to do to save Lady Lovelace the trouble. This she sent back to me for an amendment, having detected a grave mistake which I had made in the process.”

        No matter if it was truly her work or the influence of others, Ada Byron will still be widely considered as an influential women in computer programming.

        You can Read more at

        http :// biography. yourdictionary . com/ articles/ what-contribution-did-ada-byron-make-to-computing. html # g85hfCBlHYhHGUCU .99 This link has been edited to permit inclusion.

        http :// www. famous-mathematicians.com/ada-lovelace/ This link has been edited to permit inclusion.
        Copy/ paste and re-edit for links.

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  16. This article is amazing and took all that I’ve wanted to express for so long and summed it up beautifully. The comments on the other hand, given by some sad, sad men in response to this article, are utterly disgusting and heartbreaking.

    If someone can state so firmly and passionately, and Truthfully: “You don’t own me”, and have it be met with aggression and belittlement, what does that imply? It is the same sick mentality of the “Dominator Culture” that is responsible for racism, slavery, and ultimately Murder. What did the American Slaves and abolitionists fight so hard for? “You don’t own Me” was their message. It’s called Human Rights.

    This is not based on a whim or a small matter or annoyance. This is about thousands of years of systematic oppression against women being finally brought to an end. Women make up MORE than 50% of the human population, are givers of life, and, in my own opinion, have been TOO damn nice to the Anti-feminine so-called “Men” who have usurped power over the globe to strip us of our own power, autonomy, and beauty. Who won’t let us feel comfortable with just being FUCKING WOMEN. PEOPLE.

    This is our reality as women every day. Our history is filled with bloodshed and shame. Who cries over it? Who feels the pain and can relate to it? Women. “Feminism” doesn’t lose any power because certain people think it’s “too much” or are blind to the fight because they are men and don’t experience the shit we have to deal with on a daily basis. It’s not a laughing matter or a fucking Trend. It’s thousands of years in the making. It’s a cause worth fighting and for many, dying for.

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    1. You should love us MGTOW. I look forward to your reply extolling the vitues of the MGTOW men who do none of the things this article details. Cheers.

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    2. J.J. – no thoughts on MGTOW? You have strong opinions about the historical treatment of women and one would think you would relish the idea of men going MGTOW. I don’t understand your silence. Please enlighten me.

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    3. And some of us – the GROWN UPS of the MASCULINE gender – not the pouting baby boys – are confident enough in our OWN gender identity NOT to resent or belittle YOURS. There ARE SOME men who don’t need to demean or denigrate women and are prepared to stand beside you in the fight for true equality and emancipation. It’s just such a shame there aren’t more of us.

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  17. Dear Drifting Through, I see where you deleted my comment about how you should really love us MGTOW and I was looking forward to your article extolling MGTOW virtues. Why did you delete it? Does MGTOW frighten you that much?

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    1. Well, I can still see it. Maybe those blinkered eyes of yours are doing what men’s eyes have always done. Seeing only what they want to see or that fits ONLY their world-view.

      I have met many like you, and they all share something in common. They are SMALL people, not necessarily in stature but in spirit, mind and outlook.

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    2. john smith says:
      May 13, 2017 at 1:58 pm
      You should love us MGTOW. I look forward to your reply extolling the vitues of the MGTOW men who do none of the things this article details. Cheers.

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    1. Narcissistic whining ad infinitum. Forever Feminism – utter misery for men, women, and children, to the end of time. What a glorious prospect, attractive only to dysfunctional bitter vengeful women, who want everyone else to be as miserable as they are. No thanks, count mentally healthy people out of the project.

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      1. Hey Mike, this article is a recruitment manifesto for MGTOW. I know you are MRA and I appreciate your efforts. But dude, wake up man. The chick who wrote this drivel and her legion of sycophants, both male and female, are what the MRA is up against and these same people populate and control the government and its enforcement arm.

        MGTOW is the only answer for a man as Westen civilization enters the beginning of the end of its demographic winter. Mike, the die is cast. The only hope for the West is massive social change, which must originate with the females. Stop being an ineffective MRA and become an effective MGTOW by using your platform to create the massive social change.

        MGTOW effects are starting to be felt. If every man in the West went MGTOW overnight there would be change in the laws in less than a month. MGTOW is the magic strategy for you to win the MRA war.

        Think about this. In July of 1863 the Army of Northern Virginia was in Pennsylvania with nothing to stop it from marching north and burning Harrisburg and then Philadelphia and then even New York. If that strategy was adopted the CSA would have won the war by September.

        Mike, you and the MRA are making the same mistake Lee made in 1863. You are fighting a war of annihilation by rules that don’t apply to a war of annihilation, which by definition has no rules. Only a winner and a loser. You are destined to lose, and the West also.

        Men need to wake up and realize a new slavery is upon them. The masculine societies will make short work of the feminized and depopulated West. For Western men annihilation is coming. If we awaken together we can beat it. MGTOW is the magic bullet of change before it is too late. And if it is already too late, MGTOW is the only rational alternative.

        Wake up, Mike! Cheers.

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        1. Hi John. I have publicly self-identified as a MGTOW on numerous occasions. However, where we differ is in our view of the future of MGTOW. I do not believe that MGTOW will ever grow as a phenomenon to the point that it will be a game changer, which is why I have been working full-time as an MRA for over five years. Being MGTOW and not engaging in the battle for men’s and boys’ rights is an easy option.

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        2. You’ve missed the point, Mike. We cannot win this war by fighting with them on the MSM and legal turf that they control. It is as futile as Picket’s Charge or the Charge of the Light Brigade.

          The North Viet Namese beat the most powerful military in the world using unconventional tactics. Their tactics will not work for us. But the tactics of Ghandi will. Just like Ghandi, the tactics of MGTOW are peaceful indifference and withdrawal of resources.

          Articles are written in the MSM spinning the death of marriage and the ever shrinking dateing prospects of women as women’s choice when the truth is men aren’t asking (MGTOW). Women can’t get mentored in the workplace because their male superiors are scared to death of being behind closed doors with them (MGTOW). Women complain that chivalry is dead (MGTOW). Women complain about where have all the good men gone (MGTOW). The list of the negative effects of MGTOW on women go on and on. The MRA can’t even stop MGM, which for some reason seems to be the raison d’etre of J4MB these days.

          Mike, I’ve never seen anything in the MSM, particularly the BBC, where you publically identified as MGTOW. If you have, I apologize for missing it. My point is that for the vast majority of men identifying as MGTOW, or even MRA, is social and career suicide. You have demonstrated the courage to take the fight to their public turf and your efforts are applauded.

          But, just like Don Quixote, you are tilting at the wrong windmill. The MRA is trying to win a legal and political war that simply cannot be done. The only chance we have is using the social weapon. Millions of men are already doing so privately without ever having heard of MGTOW. Just think what a rallying cry around MGTOW philosophy could be. “Make Men Great Again” would have a larger effect than “Make America Great Again”.

          Instead of “build the wall” we use “wall in your resources”. Brexit becomes Manexit. The list goes on. The rise of women against feminism is proof that they see where MGTOW is heading and it scares them to death. The MRA is an ineffective joke. It doesn’t bother them one iota. Women don’t care about circumcision at all, but they do care a whole lot about access to male resources. They are just fine with a turtle neck but the prospect of no dates or marriage terrifies them.

          I’m simply asking the MRA to step back from the tactical and examine the strategic. MRA tactics have been ineffective for 150 years. MGTOW strategy is less than 10 years old and its effects are starting to be felt and reacted to. Stop making the mistakes of aging generals by fighting the new war with the tactics of the last war. MGTOW is the winning strategy and cannot be stopped if men in sufficient numbers wake up to this fact.

          Feminists and their white knights are well versed in how to handle MRA. They have no idea how to defeat MGTOW, and it scares them. Mike, take MGTOW mainstream and you will win your MRA fight because of simple economics. When retail sales plummet because of MGTOW the corporate world will make their political puppets react to restore sales. Are you starting to get it?

          Don’t fight a legal and political war with the enemies weapons on their turf. Fight them with economics at the grass roots level and you will win. Cheers, and good luck. I’ll be saving my money and watching from the sidelines as are a growing mass of men worldwide.

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        3. John, your whole position rests on the premise of enough men going MGTOW. I don’t buy that premise, because most men still want good long-term intimate relationships with women, however unlikely they are to realise that ambition. Here’s a suggestion. A British man should start a MGTOW political party, maybe even calling it MGTOW. It’s your best chance of getting MSM coverage. It would cost £150 and only two people required. Show J4MB how it should be done.

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        4. I just looked up the meanings of MGTOW and MRA and I’ve never read such self-pitying, ego-centric and puppy-whimpering balderdash in my life. Talk about rewriting history to suit the narrative, what a load of self-defeating and ultimately civilisation destroying clap-trap.

          If you put one tenth the energy into addressing the issues facing the whole planet as you put into bigging yourselves up this world and it’s inhabitants MIGHT stand a chance of seeing in the NEXT Millenium.

          But you won’t because as ever, Man-baby’s only do what suits Man-baby’s.

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        5. 20 areas where the human rights of men and boys are assaulted by the British state’s actions and inactions today, almost always to privilege women and girls:

          https://j4mb.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/141228-v9-rgb-general-election-manifesto-mb-with-beard.pdf

          I cannot think of one area in which the British state assaults the human rights of women and girls. So, which is the privileged class?

          Now, can you engage with the document, or will you just employ your usual lazy shaming tactics?

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      2. LET US KNOW IF YOU FIND ANY. Not sure you could recognise a mentally healthy person with the attitudes and blinkered vision that you amply demonstrate here. Thought you might like another target to denigrate and dismiss, Hedy Lamarr – responsible for your WiFi capability. Not acknowledged until now, but only recognised by men for her looks. Such petty little minds, unable to see beyond their own fantasies.

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  18. I think there is a balance of power missing here between men and women. Often times it feels like the fight is to try to shift the balance to benefit one gender more so than the other. It’s even apparent in the discussions here in the comments. None-the-less, this was an insightful article and got me as a woman even looking at some things that beyond what I already knew about this issue of “Ownership”.

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  19. The reason why you don’t see many women scientists is because women are by and large not that interested in such things. I don’t think its unreasonable to point that out. Let’s be fair. Women are more into feminine pursuits, such as watching daytime tv, shopping, gossiping, being facetious and disingenuous and intellectually dishonest, working at silly little office jobs, trying to be one of the boys when it suits them, reading erotic literature with their cats, molesting their dogs, flicking their beans, and just generally being thick as shit. The funny thing is, even if I was deliberately trying to be facetious, I’d have a hard time thinking of something dumb that women don’t actually do. But don’t get me wrong, I do love women. I love it when they shut their damn mouths lest they get smacked the fuck up. Look, I’m trying to have an open dialogue here ladies, let’s not be at each others’ throats. God bless our furry friends.

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    1. Mayor Steve Adler sides with Wonder Woman (and women) in screening dispute
      by Kevin Orr
      One thing everyone in Austin knows is that you can count on Mayor Steve Adler to protect the underdog. He is always there to fight for new low income housing for Austinites who are being pushed out by gentrification. Mayor Adler has also fought to build a new shelter to protect the many homeless citizens who have no place to be safe from the cold winter nights or call home. And, Super Mayor Adler will swoop in to protect anybody attacked by a misogynistic, malicious bigot who attacks women over a private showing of “Wonder Woman” at Austin based Alamo Drafthouse.

      On May 26th Mayor Adler received this e-mail from an individual named Richard A. Ameduri:

      “I hope every man will boycott Austin and do what he can to diminish Austin and to cause damage to the city’s image. The theater that pandered to the sexism typical of women will, I hope, regret it’s decision. The notion of a woman hero is a fine example of women’s eagerness to accept the appearance of achievement without actual achievement. Women learn from an early age to value make-up, that it’s OK to pretend that you are greater than you actually are. Women pretend they do not know that only men serve in combat because they are content to have an easier ride. Women gladly accept gold medals at the Olympics for coming in 10th and competing only against the second class of athletes. Name something invented by a woman! Achievements by the second rate gender pale in comparison to virtually everything great in human history was accomplished by men, not women. If Austin does not host a men only counter event, I will never visit Austin and will welcome its deterioration. And I will not forget that Austin is best known for Charles Whitman. Does Austin stand for gender equality or for kissing up to women? Don’t bother to respond. I already know the answer. I do not hate women. I hate their rampant hypocrisy and the hypocrisy of the “women’s movement.” Women do not want gender equality; they want more for women. Don’t bother to respond because I am sure your cowardice will generate nothing worth reading.”

      Obviously Mr. Amenduri did not realize who he was dealing with. Mayor Adler posted the following to his official website (link) in response:

      Dear Mr. Ameduri,

      I am writing to alert you that your email account has been hacked by an unfortunate and unusually hostile individual. Please remedy your account’s security right away, lest this person’s uninformed and sexist rantings give you a bad name. After all, we men have to look out for each other!
      Can you imagine if someone thought that you didn’t know women could serve in our combat units now without exclusion? What if someone thought you didn’t know that women invented medical syringes, life rafts, fire escapes, central and solar heating, a war-time communications system for radio-controlling torpedoes that laid the technological foundations for everything from Wi-Fi to GPS, and beer? And I hesitate to imagine how embarrassed you’d be if someone thought you were upset that a private business was realizing a business opportunity by reserving one screening this weekend for women to see a superhero movie.

      You and I are serious men of substance with little time for the delicate sensitivities displayed by the pitiful creature who maligned your good name and sterling character by writing that abysmal email. I trust the news that your email account has been hacked does not cause you undue alarm and wish you well in securing your account. And in the future, should your travels take you to Austin, please know that everyone is welcome here, even people like those who wrote that email whose views are an embarrassment to modernity, decency, and common sense.

      Yours sincerely, Steve Adler

      You see you don’t mess around with Super Mayor Steve Adler because as we say in Texas “He’s a man to be reckoned with”. Mayor Adler is truly a man of the people and for the people. He is a Mayor’s Mayor and will soon be battling Governor Abbott and the state of Texas in court to fight for undocumented immigrants everywhere and defeat SB4 the unconstitutional “Sanctuary City – Show Me Your Papers Bill.” Steve Adler is a man you always want on your side because you know he’ll always be on the right side of history!

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      1. In answer to your lie, I just Googled this question.

        “!How many sexual assaults in the Western Countries are carried out by White Males?”
        About 25,500,000 results (1.30 seconds)

        NOW YOU TRY IT.

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      2. German Newspaper Bild Apologises For False Story Alleging Cologne-Style Sex Attacks By Migrants – HUFFPOST UK

        Mass sexual assault in Frankfurt by refugees ‘completely made up’- THE iNDEPENDENT

        The Truth About The New Years Eve Refugee Attacks On Women In Germany
        Information revealed by Cologne public prosecutor Ulrich Bremer largely proves the hate-mongering has been a misguided attempt to blame an easy scapegoat. only three of 58 suspects arrested so far in connection with the attacks are refugees, two from Syria and one from Iraq. – Mint Press News

        “When white men are discovered to have committed acts of sexual violence while playing that role of heroic rescuer they’ve grown so accustomed to, they’re seen as bad apples and anomalies. The gang rape and murder of a fourteen-year-old Iraqi girl by white U.S. soldiers was not considered characteristic of white men universally, or even of U.S. soldiers in Iraq, in the way that the Cologne attacks have been interpreted as evidence of a general problem with Muslim men. Similarly, numerous reported incidents of child sex abuse by EU peacekeeping forces in the Central African Republic have not been presented by European media outlets as evidence white Europeans are bringing a culture of rape to other societies.

        The oh-so chivalric attempts to use the safety of white European women like myself as a justification for racist violence and hostility and to deny other human beings the basic right to refuge is particularly tiresome when women in Europe have never been safe from sexual violence, regardless of the movement of migrants. Anti-Muslim and anti-refugee advocates claim to enjoy gallantly confronting “difficult questions,” so here’s one: Why won’t we admit that many of the faults we ascribe to other cultures are equally a part of our own? ” – Abi Wilkinson, February 23, 2016

        Time for the facts. What do we know about Cologne four months later? – https:// thecorrespondent.com/ 4401 – Yermi BRENNER & Katrin OHLENDORF

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        1. I think your answer belongs to a different post alltogether. This isn’t about men and their skin colour or religous affiliation-this post is about men’s unwillingness to collaborate with rather than control women.

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        2. sculpturesteph

          There seem to be no options for replying to replies so this is posted here.

          Steph, this thread arose out of the assertion that White Men aren’t Rapists or sexual molesters of WOMEN (and children) and that it’s all (or mostly) the fault of OTHER groups of men that women are generally disrespected, abused, assaulted and denigrated. That White Western Men have not demeaned or confined or controlled women since their arrival in our species 8000 years ago. That any issues women may have are NOT the fault of White Western Men and that those men bear no responsibility for the restrictions, harms and abuse that women of ALL nationalities, colour or origin have suffered.

          My contention is that MEN as a sub-group of homo sapiens have always and will continue to abuse, control and demean women as compensation for their own inadequacies, REGARDLESS of national ethnicity.

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      3. FACT FROM FICTION
        Are Migrants Really Raping Swedish Women? – The Daily Beast Com – ERIN ZALESKI
        07.11.16 1:00 AM ET

        Is Sweden Invaded by “Muslim Rapists?” – loonwatch com

        Fact Checker
        The truth about a viral graphic on rape statistics – The Washington Post

        Why Are So Many White Male Rapists Avoiding Jail Time? – http:// melanoidnation .org

        The Rape of Black Women by White Men: Systemic Racism Again – racismreview .com

        BOOKS
        White People Commit the Most Heinous Crimes, So Why Is America Terrified of Black Men?
        The new book “Suspicion Nation” addresses the Trayvon Martin injustice and why we keep repeating it. By Lisa Bloom / Counterpoint Press May 13, 2014 – Alternet .org

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    1. “All men are rapists.”

      Any statement about human behavior that starts with the word “all” is likely to be incorrect.

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  20. Hi!
    Nice post! I’m making posts about scientific explanations behinde everyday appearance and recentlly I’ve made post about women, so if you have time and will please go and check it out! If you like it please follow me, I follow you.
    Thank you! 😀

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  21. Hey White Misogynists, listen up, The End is Nigh.

    Sperm drop ‘may lead to human extinction’
    Sperm counts in men from North America, Europe and Australia halve in less than 40 years, research warns.
    HEALTH – BBC News TODAY.

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